Chook with Early Bumblefoot - Source for Medication???

Discussion in 'Emergencies / Diseases / Injuries and Cures' started by Yanna, Dec 8, 2008.

  1. Yanna

    Yanna Chillin' With My Peeps

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    Hi there,

    Our EE pullet appears to be in the early stages of bumblefoot, so we should be able to treat it with antibiotics. My question is, where can I order Lincomycin or Doxycycline? Our local feed store has bupkus for medicines.

    Thanks.
     
  2. FrontPorchIndiana

    FrontPorchIndiana Chillin' With My Peeps

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    I'm trying to figure out the same thing. I called my vet who does happen to treat chickens, but they cannot just prescribe something without having a prior "patient/doctor relationship". It's some kind of new state law here. Anyway it would be $47 dollars to establish this patient/doctor relationship. I'm kind of thinking it might be worth it considering I have about 30 chickens now and I really think the doc would allow the "relationship" to be established for ALL my chickens and not individually. It could also be a good learning experience for future reference.
     
  3. Chicken Woman

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  4. Chicken Woman

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    BUMBLEFOOT
    By: Peter J. Brown, First State Veterinary Supply, Inc.

    I field many calls over the course of the year concerning that large bulbous growth on the bottom of the chickens foot. Bumblefoot as it is called is usually caused first by an abrasion to the skin of the foot pad and then an infection sets in causing the large growth on the bottom of the chickens foot. It doesn’t have to be a wide open cut just a small scrape or light abrasion to the foot pad will be enough to cause a problem. Most cases of bumblefoot involve the following bacteria: Staphylococcus aureus, E.coli, Corynebacterium spp., and Pseudomonas spp. Once the infection takes hold in a matter of days the foot and or foot pad becomes swollen and is somewhat reddened and may be hot to the touch. The above mentioned bacteria that cause Bumblefoot are extremely aggressive and can and do infect humans. You would be wise to handle these birds with latex rubber gloves and be sure to wash your hands and change and wash your clothes before handling healthy birds.

    Bumblefoot is preventable for the most part. Make sure that all roost poles or roosting areas are free from sharp objects such as,nails, screws,broken glass,jagged metal edges or other sharp objects that may cause an injury to the foot or foot pad. Make sure roost poles are not to high for the birds to jump down from so that they wont injure their feet or legs and cause an infection to get started. Even a rough roost pole can be enough to cause enough injury to the foot pad of the right bird and start a case of Bumblefoot. Over weight birds may be more susceptible as bearing excess weight on the foot pad together with a rough surface to stand on may cause injury to the foot pad and allow an infection to get started. Concrete floors can also be a problem if a bird is allowed to spend a lot of time on one or in an area where there are a lot of sharp edged stones.

    The key to treating Bumblefoot is to catch it early. If the foot is swollen but is still soft to the touch you will stand a very good chance of curing the problem with antibiotics alone. If the foot swells and goes unnoticed generally the swollen area will become as hard as a rock and no amount of antibiotics will take the swelling completely away. The only alternative at this point will be surgery. Surgery can be successful if done carefully and properly. Antibiotics should be give for 5 to 7 days before surgery and until the surgical area is healed. Before beginning surgery the entire foot area and lower leg should be throughly washed and cleaned. Disinfect the area with a controlled iodine solution. Do not use pure iodine as it will burn the tissue and make the bird real uncomfortable and will slow the healing process. You can use a numbing agent such as ambesol to partially numb the area before making your incision. Make your incision with a new scalpel and just go slowly and avoid any tendons and blood vessels and slowly make your incision across the affected area making sure that you keep the incision as small as possible. Control bleeding with blood stop powder and by applying finger pressure to the upper part of the leg. Remove all of the hard pus material from the incision and flush it out with saline solution then apply some triple antibiotic ointment directly into the wound and suture or use gauze and adhesive tape to close the wound. It will heal faster and stay cleaner if the bird is not allowed to directly stand on the surgical area. In this case a cast can be made from just about any material that you may have around the house. Be innovative as long as it doesn’t add to the problem. In some cases a halved tennis or racquetball attached to the foot will do the trick. Change the dressing on the foot daily for the first week and then every other day or so as long as the wound is healing well.

    If you are treating with antibiotics and not doing surgery the antibiotics of choice would be the following: Lincomycin 50 to 100 mg per bird per day for 7 to 10 days,or Doxycycline 50 to 100 mg per bird per day for 7 to 10 days,or amoxicillin at the rate of 250 mg per bird per day for 10 to 14 days and in some cases 500 mg per bird per day may be necessary but give it twice per day for 10 to 14 days. Cephalexin capsules work well in soft tissue and should be given at the rate of one 250 mg capsule once or twice per day for 7 to 10 days. After successful treatment all birds should receive probiotic in the drinking water for 7 to 10 days or until droppings return to normal.
    If you have any question about this article or any other health issue, please feel free to contact Peter Brown at 1-800-950-8387.
    This thread and its contents are the property of Peter Brown and firststatevetsupply.com. Please do not link to this article from another site without posting full credits to both firststatevetsupply.com and the Author, Peter Brown.
     
  5. Yanna

    Yanna Chillin' With My Peeps

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    Thanks, Lori!

    I found the link for that article somewhere else, too - I think you may have posted it when SeaChick was looking for a bumblefoot cure some time ago.

    Thanks for the vet supply link - very very useful.

    This is exactly why I love this community! There are so many helpful folks here with good information and voices of experience. I really appreciate it.
     
  6. Chicken Woman

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    Hope chick gets well !!![​IMG]
     
  7. greyfields

    greyfields Overrun With Chickens

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    You can get penecillin from most farmstores. 1 cc daily in the thigh until better for Pen-G. If you get Pen-B check, but it may be every other day.
     
  8. FrontPorchIndiana

    FrontPorchIndiana Chillin' With My Peeps

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    Quote:That's good information. I know the TSC I go to probably has that, but it's about an hour away. After looking at the price of overnight shipping for the online stuff, I've decided the $47 vet thing is a bargain. I'm going that route. Then I'll know I can always get what I need.
     
  9. Yanna

    Yanna Chillin' With My Peeps

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    Our Camille has been eating and drinking enthusiastically and since her foot wasn't really swollen, I thought maybe it was just a soft tissue injury and that she would "just get better" (while actually fearing that it was a broken bone and that she would need to be put down)... oh, the power of denial!

    We've kept her in a cage inside the coop, keeping one chook with her at all times for warmth and/or company (we've been letting the girls take turns at Camille sitting).

    Since we live in a city, poultry docs are hard to track down but this evening after half a dozen calls, I did manage to find one (a very nice lady). The vet said that since she hasn't been trying to stand at all, it is more likely to be bumblefoot than a broken bone and we should see improvement within 48 hours of putting her on an antibiotic.

    The nearest Farm and Fleet is about 45 minutes away but that is the only local place that carries poultry meds...so off we go into the snow on a mission for our little white chook. After a week lying around, she's a pretty dirty girl, so in addition to antibiotics, she may be receiving a bath (I'll be looking around here in a moment to figure out how to clean her).

    We almost lost Camille when the chicks first arrived, so she is special to us as we nursed her when she was the runt and we watched her grow into a normal, active, healthy girl. I'm hoping we'll get to see her back to normal soon. I feel very bad for letting this go on for so long. [​IMG]
     
  10. ruth

    ruth Life is a Journey

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    I just came across the thread and wanted to clarify. On the 8th you posted you thought it was "early" stages of bumblefoot but didn't mention any symptoms and on the 17th (today) you posted that she has been in a cage and isn't trying to stand at all and is getting pretty dirty. I know you posted that you talked with a vet but, based on my experiences with bumblefoot, that would NOT be the reason she hasn't stood in 9 days. There must be something else. I've had hens with "bad" cases of bumblefoot, with swelling between the toes, on both feet and badly swollen bottom pads but they kept walking.

    Maybe if you could post some pics or some more information we could help but unfortunately, I think it is something more serious than bumblefoot or especially "early stages" of bumblefoot.
     

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