Cochin breeding, genetics, and showing

Discussion in 'General breed discussions & FAQ' started by lilcrow, Aug 15, 2011.

  1. lilcrow

    lilcrow Chillin' With My Peeps

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    Since there has been an interest expressed in a thread dedicated to the discussion of showing cochins and the breeding and genetics involved in improving our breed, it is our hope that this thread might be a forum to serve this purpose.
    Pictures are welcome, but mostly to exemplify what you're breeding. We would appreciate it if you would limit your discussion to genetics, color, type, disposition, breeding and showing at APA and or ABA sanctioned shows. That is not to say that we want this to be a totally dry and lifeless forum, but just our desire to avoid slipping into pet stories which is all too easy to do with these wonderful birds.
    If anyone that is interested in this topic has a better way of stating this or something to add, take away, or otherwise, PLEASE feel free to do so.
     
  2. Coopa Cabana

    Coopa Cabana My Coop Runneth Over . . .

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    Thanx Nancy! I've subscribed.

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  3. sjarvis00

    sjarvis00 Chillin' With My Peeps

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    Is thi sdedicated more toward the bantam or LF varieties? I would assume you also prefer to stick to recogonized varieties correct?
     
  4. lilcrow

    lilcrow Chillin' With My Peeps

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    Quote:I personally would like the thread to be open to both Bantam and LF, I also would like for the people who are working on project varieties to contribute to the thread openly. After all they are the people who need help and can give help the most in the area of genetics.
     
  5. MrsChickendad

    MrsChickendad Chillin' With My Peeps

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    I'm in!
     
  6. thecochincoop

    thecochincoop Chillin' With My Peeps

    i'm in too [​IMG]
     
  7. HorseFeatherz NV

    HorseFeatherz NV Eggink Chickens

    I am in and I have maybe the first line of questions [​IMG] (I hear those of you who know me groaning [​IMG] [​IMG] )



    Vulture Hocks.


    I have both hatchery bantam cochins (silver laced) and I am working on project Mille Fleur.


    I have noticed with my hatchery birds (and some of my projects) that they have vulture hocks - easily seen. But I also have some with "small" vulture hocks - at least not the length and stiffness of the larger vulture hocks - but not as soft and fluffy legged as the few I have without them (VH).


    So what I wonder..............what are the genetics behind vulture hocks? Are they dominate, recessive? Can they be "bred" out? Do they really come in different sizes like I see on my birds, or am I seeing something else?


    [​IMG] do my questions even make sense? [​IMG]
     
  8. Coopa Cabana

    Coopa Cabana My Coop Runneth Over . . .

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    Quote:Here's a great article on the genetics of Vulture Hocks:
    http://jhered.oxfordjournals.org/content/22/5/147.extract

    They are recessive, but keep in mind, that if two birds are mated and they are both recessive (one gene), offspring will carry two genes, and the vulture hocks will be evident. You don't want to breed siblings if they are both recessive.

    I'm not sure about different sizes of vulture hocks, but you do have the definition correct - long, stiff, generally protruding downward. On Cochins, they should be soft and curved.

    I know a lot of breeders say that youngsters can "look hocky", so if yours are young, you may just need to wait for them to grow out of them.
     
  9. luckypickens

    luckypickens Chillin' With My Peeps

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    I'm in will love reading all about it!
     
  10. cochinman2005

    cochinman2005 Chillin' With My Peeps

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    Quote:Feather legged breeds are more prone to VH. It's a breed characteristic of some (i.e. Sultans), but certainly something you don't want in Cochins. Some of the varieties are more prone to it, and we see them quite often in hatchery stock. My experience is that in breeding, if you can avoid using a bird with VH, then do so, but if you can't then don't breed two birds with the same flaw together. You can breed away from it, but it will take time and because it's recessive, you may not see it one year and then it crops back up the following year. That's where good record keeping comes into play. As stated earlier, some of the younger birds can look hocky, but may molt out those feathers and replace with less stiff feathers. Ultimately, you want nice soft hock feathers, no matter what the variety.
     

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