color calculator question from beginner

Discussion in 'General breed discussions & FAQ' started by KatyTheChickenLady, Nov 19, 2009.

  1. KatyTheChickenLady

    KatyTheChickenLady Bird of A Different Feather

    Dec 20, 2008
    Boise, Idaho
    ok then, I've been playing with the thing getting familiar with it and understand how to plug in something basic with something else basic and I have even figured out (on occasion) how to take that to the next generation . . . BUT I want to put my birds in there and that I CAN"T figure out [​IMG]
    would someone mind helping me so that I can get to the next step.

    I have pulletts that are the result of a cross; Rooster - White Leghorn X Hen - RIR. The actual color of my pulletts is a light red with some white under feathers (on some) and a few black tail feathers (on some). I saw some of the cockerals from this cross and they were a darker red more like a RIR.

    I need to know two things right now
    1. when I enter the White Leghorn Rooster in the calculator is the white dominant, recessive, or just plain white? I asked this question before and someone said dominant . . . but wouldn't that result in white chicks?
    2. when I enter the RIR hen is it just plain red? I thought I saw before where someone said you have to change certain things (genes?) on the red to get the right formula for RIR.

    I can plug in my birds until I get this part figured out right . . . I have praticed a lot doing it wrong but was hoping someone would take the time to guide me with simple language to do it right. [​IMG]
    thanks!
     
  2. Chris09

    Chris09 Circle (M) Ranch

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    White Leghorn should be Dominant
    Rhode Island red is Red Columbian
    The thing you have to remember is that White can mask colors and those colors don't pop up till you cross it with a color other than White.
    I don't know what calculator you use but this is the one that I use and it does have Red Columbian on it....
    http://kippenjungle.nl/kruising.html

    Edited to add
    White is not completely dominate, being less efficient at suppressing gold/red pigment than black. In its heterozygous form,and depending which other pattern genes are present, it produces varieties such as pile, buff laced...

    Chris
     
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  3. Henk69

    Henk69 Chillin' With My Peeps

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    Hi Katy,

    Leghorns should be dominant white.
    Since the crosslings are showing red they appear to be goldbased in your case.

    Question. Are the pullets like a red columbian with white trim/tail or are they whitish with red leaking thru.
    Pics would help.

    Do the cockerels have red breasts or were they more pyle looking?

    I have been playing with some possible crosses and I must warn that the F2 may need some time to calculate your results
    http://www.kippenjungle.nl/kruising...o:Co/co+,Db:Db/db+,Ml:Ml/ml+,Mh:Mh/mh+,I:I/i+
     
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  4. KatyTheChickenLady

    KatyTheChickenLady Bird of A Different Feather

    Dec 20, 2008
    Boise, Idaho
    I was really hoping you two would answer this, THANK YOU!

    the info on RIR being Red Columbian is super helpful, thanks again

    now we start to loose me . . . I am including some pics, I should have done that to start with. but there is a lot of red and some blackin the tails . . . so maybe the white is not dominant? henk whenyou say gold based are you referring to the White leghorn or my crosslings? the cockerals had very red breasts like a RIR.

    Here are some of my girls, there seems to be two color "schemes" one darker and one lighter. the mix seemed to be 50/50 in the pen I chose these from. I have two of the darker and three of the lighter.

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    edited to add : ignore the big buff rooster tail please [​IMG]
     
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  5. Germaine_11.20

    Germaine_11.20 Chillin' With My Peeps

    Jun 6, 2009
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    Hi Katy! How old are they? Yes their combs are getting color!
     
  6. Henk69

    Henk69 Chillin' With My Peeps

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  7. KatyTheChickenLady

    KatyTheChickenLady Bird of A Different Feather

    Dec 20, 2008
    Boise, Idaho
    ok then, I see how you have it entered . . . THANK YOU! Then I go to the bottom a hit calculate crossing and that gives me "my" girls; THEN if I want to enter that hen as a cross to different rooster . . . which button do I push? [​IMG]
    p.s. gold based is good, that's what I was hoping to hear!
     
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  8. Henk69

    Henk69 Chillin' With My Peeps

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    Quote:Just choose a different rooster.
    If you use the "reset" button you can "recall" the birds you used or chose previously.
     

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