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Columbian Color Genetics

Discussion in 'General breed discussions & FAQ' started by Connorrm, Aug 16, 2011.

  1. Connorrm

    Connorrm Chillin' With My Peeps

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    Is there anyone who can dumb down the genetics talk to tell me how to breed for a columbian color? I have been reading the genetics of chicken color but it hasn't been helpful so far [​IMG]
     
  2. sjarvis00

    sjarvis00 Chillin' With My Peeps

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    Quote:what specifically do you want to know, apparently not the individual genes and how they need to line up to make the variety. Do you have a columbian patterned bird you trying to improve color on or having a specific problem you need to solve? Or are you trying to introduce the color to a bird for exhibition? What specifically do you need help with?
    some things with the Columbian pattern can be tricky from a breeding perspective but does not require understanding the genetics.
     
  3. Connorrm

    Connorrm Chillin' With My Peeps

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    Adding: Just a basic This Color x This Color = Colored Offpring....then Colored Offspring X ?? = More Offspring....More Offspring X ?? = Columbian [​IMG]
     
  4. Connorrm

    Connorrm Chillin' With My Peeps

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    Quote:what specifically do you want to know, apparently not the individual genes and how they need to line up to make the variety. Do you have a columbian patterned bird you trying to improve color on or having a specific problem you need to solve? Or are you trying to introduce the color to a bird for exhibition? What specifically do you need help with?
    some things with the Columbian pattern can be tricky from a breeding perspective but does not require understanding the genetics.

    I know this will sound insane....but....I want to cross Regular Cornish with a Delaware. I love the Delaware coloring. I love the idea of a Pea Comb on the Cornish. The delaware feather better and that feathering would do better in the Northern end of NY harsh winters. Which is why I'd like them to have a pea comb.

    They would be for eating, in a sustainable raise my own fashion. I'm also bored [​IMG] and it would be a really fun project to see if I could fix the columbian pattern on a bird with a pea comb.
     
  5. cubakid

    cubakid Chillin' With My Peeps

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    We have a single Columbian that hatched out barred columbian... interesting bird.
     
  6. sjarvis00

    sjarvis00 Chillin' With My Peeps

    May 4, 2009
    Shawnee, OKlahoma
    Quote:That does happen, there are a few different ways and things that can be used to make the columbian pattern. it is common with the wyandotte to get some barring in the pattern if the barred rock was used over a white this works takes several generations, You can also get there using Silver Laced over white, or just use Light Brahma over a white and breed back for color and pattern takes less time for color but type can be a wreck, You can also use Columbian Rocks.

    If I wanted a Columbian pattern on a cornish i would use the columbian rock... So long as you are using a slower growing non-genetically engineered rock they should be sustainable
     
  7. cubakid

    cubakid Chillin' With My Peeps

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    And go for a slightly pinched tail if there is an option (i have a Col. Rock Bantam w/ a pinched tail)
     
  8. Connorrm

    Connorrm Chillin' With My Peeps

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    Well, I'd like a decent meat bird with the fast growth of the Delaware, the columbian pattern, and the pea comb of the Cornish. What color cornish should I start with? Cornish have very tight feathering and thin feathering so winters would be tough on them in NY. Also, they grow fairly slow. I'm not overly familiar with the rocks, but I know that the delawares were a good meat bird prior to Cornish X.

    That's why I was thinking about a Delaware, with a pea comb - and crossing with a cornish would seem to only help with the meat qualities. Plus, the cornish as a breed are very broody so it would be nice to have that trait back into the birds (in case I don't feel like incubating for some reason).
     
  9. catdaddyfro

    catdaddyfro Overrun With Chickens

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    Quote:My brother did this cross either last year or the year before seems like it did quite well for him he called them his Delcorns PM him (biomistake) Im sure hed give you the 411 on his results hes not on here much these days but he'd prolly muster up some pics and info for you if requested to do so.

    Jeff
     
  10. flyingmonkeypoop

    flyingmonkeypoop Overrun With Chickens

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    I would say use a deleware rooster on dark cornish hens. If you want the barred columbian that would be the way to go, the other way (dark cornish roo on deleware hens) would give you sexlinks where the males would be brassy white with faint barring in the neck and tail, females would be more gold based with no barring but should show more of a columbian pattern.
    If Im thinking correctly the first generation should show some single lacing, maybe not the whole body but on the breast even in the form of half moon spangles on the breast. If you take those chicks and mate them back to a delware rooster it should refine the pattern and color and still keep the pea comb. Another possible project would be to use blue laced red cornish (I think theyre mostly in bantam though) to add the blue into the mix.
     

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