On a recent post I mentioned design for a feeder and waterer to be filled from outside the coop or run. After modifying the feeder it worked. I used 4" diameter PVC drain pipe, 45 degree angle outside and 45 degree angle inside. The top of the tube has a clean-out with a screw on top to keep out pests and moisture. I'll have picts on my site soon. The waterer is still a good idea, but the two-liter bottle just colapsed and let all the water pour into the coop. I was glad the convertible bottom let the water pour through and out. I'm real concerned about my girls. Today I drilled two holes to make room for the waterer and then cut out for one of the nesting boxes. The noise of my saw and drill seemed to upset them so much they started picking (if they ever stopped). My rush to get them into the coop was to get them out of the small cage with hopes they would stop picking. Now I think I will need to make them a temporary run to put them in while I work on the coop. I still have cuts to make for 5 nest boxes, a large window and two doors. Not to mention the permanent roof. I don't know who's more stressed, me or them.