Confused - Are Lt. Brahmas and Lt. Sussex the same?

Discussion in 'General breed discussions & FAQ' started by MotherJean, May 21, 2010.

  1. MotherJean

    MotherJean Chillin' With My Peeps

    I have 6 pullets sold to me as Light Brahmas. In looking through the breeds, I find the Light Sussex that looks just like my Light Brahma. If these aren't the same bird with different names, they must be somehow related. Right? I'm thinking about adding some Speckled Sussex to my flock but I want the lighter buff colored ones like I saw at Woodland Park Zoo in Seattle. Anyone know if that's a special variety?
     
  2. keesmom

    keesmom Overrun With Chickens

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    The only relation between those 2 breeds is the color pattern - columbian. Other breeds have it too. Wyandottes, cochins, rocks to name a few.

    I'm at the other end of the country so I'm not sure what they have at the zoo in Seattle. You mentioned they're lighter buff, can you describe them more?
     
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  3. Chris09

    Chris09 Circle (M) Ranch

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    Lt. Brahmas and Lt. Sussex are different breed of chicken total difference in Size, Shape, Comb type and Brahmas has feathered feet. To my Knowledge are not related..
    The only thing they have in common is there color and that there both a Columbian pattern.
    Other breeds that have that same coloring are--
    Old English Game Bantams, Plymouth Rocks, Leghorns, Wyandottes, Cochin and so on...

    Chris
     
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  4. JoAnn_WI_4-H_Mom

    JoAnn_WI_4-H_Mom Chillin' With My Peeps

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    There is a feather pattern called "Columbian" that many breeds have. White body feathers with black in tail and around the neck and shoulders. It is very attractive, isn't it? You can find it as Columbian Rocks, Columbina Wyandottes, etc. Sometimes the color pattern is referred to as "Light".

    Light Sussex should have the Columbian pattern with clean white/pinkish legs. and I believe a single comb.

    Light Brahmas should have the Columbian pattern with feathered legs and a pea comb.

    So while the feather pattern may look similar, there are other features you will need to use to determine what breed you are actually close to.

    Can you see where if you have Columbian pattern with clean white/pinkish legs and a pea comb that you could describe your birds as either
    Light Brahmas with non-SOP legs
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    Light Sussex with non-SOP comb?

    The whole breed thing with chickens is more about how closely they resemble the SOP (Standard of Perfection) as defined by the APA (American Poultry Association) or other associations in your locality than what bloodline they come from. There is no registry for pure breeds like there is for cattle or horses.
     
  5. Sonoran Silkies

    Sonoran Silkies Flock Mistress

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    Brahmas have feathered legs and are a MUCH larger bird; sussex do not have feathered legs. Brahmas have pea combs; sussex have single combs. Body type is different, as well as size and combs. Light brahmas and light sussex are both silver columbian coloured. From feathersite: a light brahma and a light sussex.
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    Are you wanting ones like (from feathersite):
    [​IMG] or like: [​IMG]? (Couldn't find a mille fleur sussex)
     
  6. MotherJean

    MotherJean Chillin' With My Peeps

    Thanks to everyone for the education [​IMG] It appears I have Light Brahmas - feathered feet, yellow legs, small (almost non-existent combs) and quite large birds. My 7 week old pullets are nearly as large as a Leghorn I once owned. Sonoran Silkies: I love that buff color hen with the chicks. I like the body shape better than the speckled hen. I'm not crazy about the downward sloping wings or the larger comb, but I do like that speckled coloring. What breed is that buff hen? To everyone: Is there a breed that might have many of the features I particularly like (large body, small comb, wings tucked to sides, speckled or penciled coloring)? I've been looking at the Laced Wyandottes, too, but the hatchery birds I've seen were disappointing. I suppose that's why one must look to a breeder to get birds that are closer to the SOP.
     
  7. Sonoran Silkies

    Sonoran Silkies Flock Mistress

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    That was a buff columbian susses. Here are some buff (columbian) brahmas (all from feathersite):
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    They come in both bantam and large fowl, but bantam buffs are far more common.
     
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  8. big medicine

    big medicine custom Brahmas

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  9. MotherJean

    MotherJean Chillin' With My Peeps

    WOW! The Dark Brahma is eye candy to me [​IMG] That's a winner. Thanks so much for the link. Looks like mine is going to be a Brahma flock. Thanks again, everyone.
     
  10. brahmapapa

    brahmapapa Chillin' With My Peeps

    Sounds like you like the brahma type birds, alot of work is being done on a wealth of new color patterns, search for silver lace brahma, buff laced brahma or golden laced brahma. When a poultry breeder spends alot of time and money breeding to develope a new color pattern , the birds are rare and very costly. Checkout recent hatching egg auctions to see that sometimes a doz. hatching eggs can sell at auction for over a thousand dollars. You will find brahmas to be a great bird to work with, they have a great temperment, stand confinement well, and generally perform wonderfully. They are my favorite breed, good luck with your flock.
     

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