I am in a process of considering a slight remodel on my coop and am thinking of converting part of it into a grow out pen and trying my first meat birds. I am wondering if I am setting myself up for trouble and would love thoughts from the experienced. A little background: urban yard, very small. I had originally built the coop you see below for my 6 laying hens (4 LF layers, 2 silly bantams). They got shut in when it rained or on rare days I needed to leave my driveway gate open, but for the most part they got to free range. A very persistent hawk changed that and since that pic was taken I have added a fully enclosed 60 sqft run. So, that bottom part of the coop is now really just shade and I have part of the run shaded as well so it is really not needed. I would love to try meat birds as part of an overall effort to add more home grown food options to my hobby farm. The bottom part there is about 3ft by 7ft so about 21 sq ft. I was thinking about moving my ramp for the girls outside so they can get to their roosts and nests from the run and making this pen its own separate space. Could this be an ok grow out pen? I would close it off so they are not interacting with my laying hens however they would be able to see each other and visit through the wire. (bad? too close?) I have been reading through a lot of threads and 2.5 sqft per meatie in the grow out seems a common number so I was thinking 6-8 birds in this space? (reasonable? not so much?) I do not have the yard space for a tractor, which seems the prefered method. Is this going to be a horrible smelly mess if they are stationary in that small of a space? I was thinking of putting down a layer of pine shaving or sand for cleaning. I could on weekends and evening when I am home from work let the layers free range in the yard and allow the meaties access to the run if that seems like it improves the situation. These birds would be over my legal limit so shortest time until processing is better. CornishX seems the likely candidate but any other suggestions on a fast growing breeds that would do better in these conditions? How loud are your CornishX hens? My neighbors are patience and reasonable but I don't want to push it too far. Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated. Should I just give up this thought until I have a bigger yard?