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Discussion in 'Predators and Pests' started by Noah, Aug 16, 2011.

  1. Noah

    Noah Out Of The Brooder

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    We have shrews in our yard.
    I think one killed my puppy.

    My husband bought coyote pee to put around the yard as shrews don't like it.
    I was wondering about two things.
    The first one is will coyote pee attract coyotes?
    The second question is will coyote urine upset my chickens? (can they smell it?)

    Thank you.
     
    Last edited: Aug 17, 2011
  2. geoff40

    geoff40 Chillin' With My Peeps

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    How did a shrew kill your puppy, may I ask??? I doubt the chickens will be bothered by urine. I don't think most birds have a good sense of smell at all.
     
  3. Noah

    Noah Out Of The Brooder

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    My 2 year old lab was chasing something out in the yard.
    I believe she cornered a shrew and got bit.

    http://members.vienna.at/shrew/cult-poison.html

    I will never really know but I will always wonder.

    She was a happy, healthy dog.

    http://www.ctv.ca/CTVNews/Health/20050221/shrew_spit_050221/

    I watched my dog suffer for no apparent reason. (she was receiving vet care)
    Nobody really knows why she died.

    I have other animals and want to protect them.
    I'd research more about shrews, as they are very dangerous.

    Maybe my dog dying had nothing to do with shrews but maybe it did.
     
  4. drumstick diva

    drumstick diva Still crazy after all these years. Premium Member

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    Well shrews are tiny, I doubt their bite could kill much of anything. A 2 yr. old lab is not a puppy. Is it possible your dog was bitten by a snake that might have wanted to eat the shrew?
     
  5. Noah

    Noah Out Of The Brooder

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    drumstick diva,

    I suppose anything is possible.

    A lab is still very much a puppy at two years of age.

    I wasn't wanting to debate why my dog died.
    Just a few questions I had and letting people know my experiences.

    http://curiousnature.info/A1-Short-tailed Shrew.htm

    All I can do is share my experience.

    I will never really know why my dog died BUT on the off chance it was a shrew, I'll be happy to let people know what happened to us.
     
  6. chicktwins

    chicktwins Chillin' With My Peeps

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    WOW!! I had no idea that shrew spit was venomous. I wonder to what degree the effects would have on larger prey. Like how much spit would it take to cause seizures and muscle paralysis in a large dog. Also if it affects the smooth muscle tissue that would cause heart and lung issues which could in turn cause death for obvious reasons. Very interesting. Thanks for the info!
     
  7. Noah

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    I don't really know chicktwins.

    My girl was almost 40 pounds.
    The shrew don't normally go at such a large animal unless cornered.(from what I have read)
    I think she cornered one and it reacted.

    I don't have facts that that is why she died.
    I just have my own thoughts.

    Her blood cells were attacking her own body.
    The vet did say maybe an allergic reaction to something.
    She spent almost one week in hospital and had two blood transfusions.

    My girl was willing in mind to live but her body was not.
    I just can't rule out the shrews.
    Even if I'm wrong and I hope I am as I have other dogs playing in the same yard...
    It is always good to hear about these things that others have gone through.

    We can always learn from each other.
    Even if it sounds unbelievable.

    Like drumstick diva said, maybe my dog was bitten by a snake that might have wanted to eat the shrew.
    Maybe there was no snake, maybe there was.
    All I have been able to capture are shrew.

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  8. theFox

    theFox Chillin' With My Peeps

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    Quote:Coyote pee is one of the lures for trapping coyote so yes it will attract coyotes.

    The chickens won't even know the pee is there.

    Sorry you lost your dog, it isn't likely that a shrew killed it. They do carry parasites, various bacteria, and viruses so it is possible that your dog got an infection from the shrew, however I have no idea why a transfusion would be a course of treatment in those cases. Not enough information to go on.
     
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  9. Ole rooster

    Ole rooster Chillin' With My Peeps

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    This whole deal is strange. If a shrew can kill then a vole can too. I best be careful.
     
  10. theFox

    theFox Chillin' With My Peeps

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    Quote:The short tail shrew is one of the very few mammals that actually produces venom, however its effect on other than its normal small prey is usually locally painful at the bite site (and not all bites produce it) but otherwise very mild and dissipates with time, there is current research going on to determine its usefulness as a blood pressure reducer.
     

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