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creating a mille fluer patterned hennie american game

Discussion in 'General breed discussions & FAQ' started by centrarchid, Dec 25, 2010.

  1. centrarchid

    centrarchid Chicken Obsessed

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    I am interested in creating a flock of American games with the mille fluer color pattern that is were males have hennie feathering. Gameness expected and desired to be reduced but smarts and physical ability of games needs to be retained.

    Game inputs will include hennie and likely a brown red base.

    What do I need to cross in first to begin proces? I want to avoid de uccles and varieties with odd feet and feathering.
     
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  2. seabass327

    seabass327 Out Of The Brooder

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    Mille fleur leghorns. Sand hill has them and you could order chicks this spring. see this thread for pictures. https://www.backyardchickens.com/forum/post.php?tid=416693&qid=5088440

    No odd feet, you may get white or yellow legs and some may have a darker base color, but should be close to what you want. Mine are decent size and the roosters have been fine towards people but pretty interested in being dominant. They free range well and one of the two hens I kept this past year went broody. So, I wouldn't say their chicken instincts have been bred out of them.

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  3. Chris09

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    To get Mille Fluer -

    e wh -- wheaten down color. Wheaten/whitish colored female. Male Red/Silver hackle and saddle, with a black breast.

    s -- sex link gold, we want a red bird, not a white/silver one. Now we have a Gold Wheaten instead of a Silver Wheaten.

    Co -- columbian Removes the black from the breast of the male. Now we have a Buff Columbian. Makes males and females the same color.

    mo -- mottled. recessive 2 genes required. This adds the black bar and white dot. to the end of the feather. Now we have a Mille Fleur!!!

    Chris
     
  4. centrarchid

    centrarchid Chicken Obsessed

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    Quote:Chris,

    My proposed starting point is with a brown red like the one pictured. See image below. Best image I have at present.
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    My guess he has the Co - columbian allele. I am pretty sure he does not carry e whe - wheaten as that has never been been observed in his lineage and at times we have had many birds breeder (ranged 50 - 200). Otherwise I can not tell what he has. His line, in terms of coloration breeds just under 1/2 brown red, about 1/2 black breasted red with some brown spots on breast and relatively rare individuals that look like typical black breasted red without brown spots on breast. We have not bred for color and population appears stable in respect to color variation. I am not against incorporating the mille fluer leghorn but would like to be able to breed back to predominantly game while keeping coloration. Hennie can be brought in at some later stage.
     
  5. Chris09

    Chris09 Circle (M) Ranch

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    There rooster in the picture has more in him than just Brown Red though.
    A Brown Red will have less Red and a Black Breast like a Black Breasted Red.
    Here is a link to Brown Red OEGB's
    http://www.bantychicken.com/OEGBCA/vbrownred.html

    Chris
     
  6. centrarchid

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    Quote:You are very likely correct. The coloration he exhibits we have called brown red. My terminology of grandparents and before is of cocker usage and may not be accurate for color genetics and certainly not for show usage purposes. He does approximate pictures of ancestors from 1930's. Bird pictured is of "working" rather than show stock.

    We still have some hens, although slightly lighter that approximate the bantam hen images. Darker roosters used to pop up as sports but still not quite like your images. Hackles of sports still redder. If hackles of males were quite a bit darker, then they would be very similar to a strain we called Stone Walls. Some of those where nearly black. My line has Stone Wall in its background.

    I hope my reality is better than true brown red to get me where I want to go.

    The lack of black in breast is indicative of co - columbian?
     
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  7. centrarchid

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    Chris, do you think I can do above without going outside of games?
     
  8. Vcomb

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    I'd try to start with Redquill (there are hennie Redquills) and spangled whitehackles. Mille Fluer pattern is wheaton based just like most of the spangled whitehackles
     
  9. centrarchid

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    This means I will still need Redquills. I never had spangled white hackles but if memory serves they were prone to have brittle feathers.
     

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