Crop Bound Capsules - Impacted crop / Sour crop

Discussion in 'Emergencies / Diseases / Injuries and Cures' started by tufty68, Aug 15, 2014.

  1. tufty68

    tufty68 New Egg

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    Hey all... some important information to share about crop bound capsules from Twin City Poultry Supplies.

    I had a hen that impacted (we just did surgery today after no success with supportive care). I did research and found a product called H-6-3 from TCPS. Only people who seem to carry it. I ordered 2 vials of it (50 capsules) to have some on hand for future use. To get it shipped next day cost me a total of $45 for the shipping and meds combined. Seemed a bit much, but if it worked and I could avoid surgery, fine.

    I became suspicious that all was not kosher when I got the vials. The capsules came in dram vials with just a general label, no drug name, no mg dosage, and sketchy directions etc on the label.

    Upon further research, I have come to find out that these are probably just Docusate Sodium capsules (Colace) that you can get OTC at any pharmacy. If you can find the 50mg get those, otherwise the 100mg are fine for most average weight birds. A call to the company to get the information about the drug name and strength did not produce the information. All she would tell me is it's a stool softener. Still waiting for a call back from someone named "Victor."

    The issue I have is that TCPS is probably buying these in bulk and dispensing them as a pharmacy, which they are not, according to the National Board of Pharmacy. I am in contact with the boards of pharmacy in Ohio and Georgia to verify this.

    To my knowledge at this point, when dispensing in dram vials there are very clear rules about the information that is to be on the label. To be safe, save money, and have access more quickly when you find a sick bird, just get it OTC and keep it in the med box. And of course check with your vet first before deciding to use a drug off label.

    Best I can tell since this is an off label use, dosing is 1 capsule, (make sure chicken is drinking as colace draws fluid from the gut), repeat if needed every other day. However, if there is no improvement within a few days you need to see a vet. It's a stool softener so is supposed to soften up a hard impaction.

    Warning: Contraindicated with use of mineral oil. Docusate sodium can cause toxicity with mineral oil in the GI tract. Also, I do not know if there are any issues with giving this to meat or egg birds and if there is any withdrawal time before meat and eggs can be consumed.

    How to pill a chicken. Toss the capsule on the floor in front of the bird or offer it from your hand. Most will just fiddle with it for a sec and then gulp it down. Otherwise you can use a small piller and pop it down.

    Please use caution when using these. I haven't found much info about using it in chickens. My biggest fear is that people will use these thinking its a cure-all and wait too long to get help for the bird. Surgery on a weak bird will likely be fatal, so make your decisions swiftly.
     
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  2. Amykins

    Amykins Overrun With Chickens

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    Unfortunately, any online pet pharmacy is a gamble. :/ Often you just aren't getting what the label says. 'm sorry for your recent troubles.

    How are the chickies? Did you try the no food/olive oil treatment?
     
  3. casportpony

    casportpony Team Tube Feeding Captain & Poop Inspector General Premium Member Project Manager

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    They do the same thing with metronidazole, but to add insult to injury, they give people incorrect dosing info.

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  4. tufty68

    tufty68 New Egg

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    She is doing great. We did surgery this afternoon. Removed a softball sized mass of grass clippings. She would never have been able to pass it.
     
  5. tufty68

    tufty68 New Egg

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    I am pursuing this with Board of Pharmacy. See if I can't save a few chickie lives.
     
  6. Amykins

    Amykins Overrun With Chickens

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    Oh no! This is why I'm paranoid about letting my Wobs eat grass. I'm so happy that you got it out, though! Please give her lots of treats and snuggles for me!
     
  7. lisanhunter

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    Could you feel the hard grass in there? My chicken is not emptying her crop. I took her to the vet and they don't know what is wrong just said maybe she needs to pass some stuff and work it out. It has been going on since Saturday. She poops so much water with undigested grass and other various things. But is does seem to be looking more digested lately. Any ideas since the vet was a waste and just stressed my baby out?
     
  8. casportpony

    casportpony Team Tube Feeding Captain & Poop Inspector General Premium Member Project Manager

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    Is the cop of your hen firm or squishy?

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  9. casportpony

    casportpony Team Tube Feeding Captain & Poop Inspector General Premium Member Project Manager

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    @lisanhunter , welcome to BYC!

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  10. lisanhunter

    lisanhunter Out Of The Brooder

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    Hey It feels kind of hard when she doesn't drink a ton of water. When she drinks it is squishy and you can't feel anything in there.

    This is the entire story. Please help.
    So I noticed on Friday that my chickens crop was very full. Saturday morning before she ate anything I checked her crop it was soooo big so I brought her in the house and gave her water only thinking that she had eaten a lot of grass and to help brake it up. Within two days I got it to go from about a tennis ball to about a golf ball. I started feeding her soft food wet chicken food, cucumbers, yogurt, and chicken food mass. I have given her olive oil with bread. Everything. So I took her to the vet Monday. The vet said she thought she just had some grass in there that she needs to work out. Her poop changes from mostly water/all water to lots bits of undigested food to full diarrhea. I have called the vet they don't know anything and they are not helpful! Should I give her a stool softener? She is acting fine but has been in the house since Saturday. She hates it. I ordered a chicken bra that is not here yet. I massage her crop give her electrolytes and probiotics as well as apple cider vinegar. Also, it is cold outside like cold and now I don't know how to transition her to the cold after being in the house for so long! Please Help Help Help Help!
     

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