Crossing Blue Ameraucanas with Blue Wheaten

Discussion in 'General breed discussions & FAQ' started by BayChicks, Sep 18, 2009.

  1. BayChicks

    BayChicks Out Of The Brooder

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    What are the possibilities? Bad idea?
    Kim
     
  2. Krys109uk

    Krys109uk Chillin' With My Peeps

    Do you have any perticular reason for wanting to do this? It won't do any favours to the colours.

    A birds which are all blue, rarely carry wheaten genes. The chances are that one would lose melanisers & have offspring with leakage.
     
  3. pips&peeps

    pips&peeps There is no "I" in Ameraucana

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    bad idea.....

    What was the thinking behind doing this cross?
     
  4. BayChicks

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    Just a hypothetical question - my son will have both of these varieties soon and he's trying to plan breeding pens. We've only done buff and blue/black/splash varieties of birds before, so this will be new to us.
    Thanks for the info.
    Kim
     
  5. Tailfeathers

    Tailfeathers Chillin' With My Peeps

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    The genetics are totally separate and different. Crossing them will simply result in an EE.

    God Bless,
     
  6. tadkerson

    tadkerson Chillin' With My Peeps

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    You could produce some blacks from the cross but it would take at least two generations to get clean black birds. I would not be a good route to produce more wheaten. I know some people are working on a black gold variety. I do not think that wheaten would be a good E locus to use with the black gold; so given your inexperience at breeding that would not be a good idea. I think the brown reds would be better for working toward black gold.

    Black would be a variety that you could work on to get some breeding experience. You can cross wheaten to blue wheaten that is ok. Do not cross blue wheaten to blue wheaten it will produce some splash wheaten which is not a recognized variety. You can use the splash wheaten on wheaten to produce blue wheaten.

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  7. AmeraucanaLuver

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    But when u cross a blue with a wheaten dont u get a blue wheaten?[​IMG] if thats what u want id do it u can always sell the chicks if u dont want them.[​IMG][​IMG]:jumpy
     
  8. Pathfinders

    Pathfinders Overrun With Chickens

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    Quote:No no! Blue and Blue Wheaten are two different color varieties within the breed. Krys may jump in here with the exact genetics, but trust me, they are NOT the same at all. Blue is actually Self Blue (which is the Lavender gene I think.) I know it's confusing (why they call Lav blue I dunno.)

    The blue in Blue Wheaten Ameraucanas is the Andalusian Blue gene, and so will express like this (numbers are approximate, your results may vary slightly):

    Wheaten x Wheaten = 100% Wheaten.

    Wheaten x Blue Wheaten = 50% Wheaten, 50% Blue Wheaten.

    Blue Wheaten x Blue Wheaten = 50% Blue Wheaten, 25% Wheaten and 25% Splash Wheaten.

    Splash Wheaten x Wheaten = 100% Blue Wheaten.

    Splash Wheaten x Blue Wheaten = 50% Splash Wheaten and 50% Blue Wheaten

    Splash Wheaten x Splash Wheaten = 100% Splash Wheaten.
     
  9. Mahonri

    Mahonri Urban Desert Chicken Enthusiast Premium Member

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    Laura that was great... I'm gonna have to buy some chicks from Jean so I can get a blue wheaten roo.
     
  10. pocopoyo

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    Blue wheatons were originally made by crossing blues with wheatons. After that some breeders spent many years cleaning up the blue wheaton color so that now it is comparable to wheatons in color and type.
    To cross wheatons and blues now would be step back and the offspring would not meet the quality standard of either parent.

    This could be an educational breeding project if someone wanted to learn what happens when these color crosses are made. It may take a few years to segregate the colors back out and cleaned them up. Don't hatch too many as there is not much value in the offspring except as pet quality birds.

    The blue variety in Ameraucana is the same as the Andalusion Blue color and has the same Black/Blue/Splash offspring pattern as expected for this color. There are some breeders working on Lavender as a separate variety.

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