it's been years since i've incubated anything and i seem to remember seeing more chick at this point (less light in the shell)... these 2 are the same egg, first candled just from above, then setting on a flashlight with light above again... this one is a bantam egg, put in the same time. the pic from below didn't come out but looked a lot the same. my EE are so dark i can't see anything. LOL the dorking and EE were both shipped eggs, bantams local. dorkings arrived in great shape, all fertile, but i lost 2/3 within the last 7 days. they just quit on me. scattered thru the incubator, mixed between other breed/shipped/local so i know it wasn't incubator error, all turning on an auto turner with circulated air... worried that i'll lose the last 7 dorkings going (of 21 shipped eggs) i've got 9/14 EE and 8/11 bantam, plus 9 more put in a week later that are 9/9 (bantam mutts started under a broody). tho since i set the eggs, i did pick up a trio of dorkings too, so worst case i hatch everything they lay LOL. and hubby is even supportive of that! wonders never cease. ok got sidetracked... post pics of yours at day 17? PLEASE?!?!?