i guess this is a bad sign that nothings pipped yet and i havent heard cheeping?? made my own bator and had small fluctuations at the beginning so maybe i killed my babies before i started went up to put jennifer to bed and went to check on eggs (they are in spare room!).... one is def moving, i saw it a few times so i know its not my eyes! even if i only get one i will be proud cos of the home made bator!!!!