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Day 21 but Candled Eggs look only 17/18 Days - Urgent Help Please.

Discussion in 'Incubating & Hatching Eggs' started by DrRob, Feb 10, 2011.

  1. DrRob

    DrRob Out Of The Brooder

    I am after some help and advice, this is my first post so please be gentle !

    I have a styrofoam incubator with 12 Pekin Bantam Eggs in - this is my second attempt at hatching as last one with 3 eggs was also a negative result.
    Here are my questions I have 4 eggs which are on day 21 but they do not look like the 21 day old candled photo that I see for example some have clearer pointy ends, one has a full pointy end and the other seems too small.
    After my last failure which I left the eggs in for 25/26 days I removed some of the shell off one last night to see if it was just stuck or struggling but somehow I managed to rupture a blood vessel if only slightly though, this little one still had its yoke on the outside although being at 21 days and by the morning the heat had dried it out to much - so he was buried in my garden.
    I did hear tapping inside the incubator overnight last night but do not know if this was from the chick I lost this morning or one of the other ones in this group of 4, it has been quiet all day today even though I have gone into the room with the incubator in and looked/listened.

    The temperature is set to 38.5 degrees centigrade with the humidity at 65 degrees centigrade.

    What can I do ???

    Any advice would be really really helpful.

    These are my own fertilized eggs from my Pekin Bantam Rooster and my 2 Pekin Bantam Hens (1 Charcoal Frizzle and 1 Lilac Frizzle) - Would this be a weaker gene ?

    And finally are Pekin Bantam Chicks smaller than normal bantam chicks - as the one from last night's head was about the size of 12mm in diameter

    Many Thanks

    Dr Rob & Family
     
  2. tornado8070

    tornado8070 Chillin' With My Peeps

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    I have had chicks hatch up to 24 days...its only my 3rd go round. Hopefully someone else with more experience can put in there 10 cents.
     
  3. Livinwright Farm

    Livinwright Farm Chillin' With My Peeps

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    I will fore-warn you that there are many on this forum who are strongly against any styrofoam incubator. Personally I have one, and as long as I do a dry hatch, I get a decent hatch rate: 81+%!
    I have never dealt with bantam eggs so I can't help you there. The only thing I could advise is that you do dry hatches. This is where you do not add any water to the incubator at all until just prior to lockdown on day 18. The styrofoam incubators hold moisture much more than the other incubators out there. The embryos need to lose a certain percentage of moisture during incubation in order for them to grow properly. If this current clutch does not hatch out, or doesn't hatch with a decent percentage, I suggest switching to the dry hatch method. I can give you pointers at a later date if you so desire. [​IMG]
     
  4. Higins00

    Higins00 Chillin' With My Peeps

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    Give them another day, count day one only after they have been in the incubator for 24 hours not the day you put them in. Sometimes you can be a day off freak out and mess with the eggs before you should
     
  5. KWAK

    KWAK Chillin' With My Peeps

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    a few weeks a go i tried a hatch.... chick were supposed to hatch on 1-15-11 i candled them and they looked like they were on day 18... 2 hatched but later died [​IMG] trying it again(dry hatch:) ) WISH ME LUCK
     
  6. Livinwright Farm

    Livinwright Farm Chillin' With My Peeps

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  7. DrRob

    DrRob Out Of The Brooder

    Thank you for everyones thoughts so far, I did read about the dry hatching method so over the first 15 days I was not too worried about keeping the humidity constant and only topping up the water if it fell below 30 percent humidity which It did not it stayed around 40 and obviously this was ok as they all developed normally - it seems to be only at the end I am having the problem.
    It maybe just because the chicks inside are weak - and I know it is better to lose them at the latter stages than them to hatch then lose them a few weeks after - I have decided just to leave them until Saturday which will be day 23 then maybe take one and tap through the outer shell and moistening the membrane slightly to see if the chick moves inside.

    Any other advice would be great.

    I am also looking at getting another more automatic incubator - maybe a RCOM 20

    or a Oxford one available from this company in the united kingdom - Banbury Cross Incubators dot com (It will not let me put the hyperlink as I am a new member and they are worried about spam) - this incubator can also be called a SIL one.

    This may then give me a better hatching percentage.

    I do prefer the Oxford one I think.

    Regards
    Dr Rob.
     
  8. Casey76

    Casey76 Chillin' With My Peeps

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    Hi DrRob [​IMG]

    First of all, is your cockeral frizzle too? Mating frizzle to frizzle leads to semi-lethal genes and results in weak chicks with very bizzare feathering.

    Second of all, I wouldn't recommend having a staggered hatch in one incubator. This is beacuse when you increase the humidity during the last three days of one set of eggs, the other eggs will not be ready for high humidity and the growing chicks could drown.

    I know a couple of people how have oxford machines, and they do work quite well; personally I can only comment on the RCOM 20, as I have one. I find they are very good, easy to clean, and of course with computer controlled temperature and humidity, plus the auto turn it take a lot of the stress away.

    P&T Poultry are the warrantly holders for RCOM in the UK, and are very helpful both on the phone any by email.. They also have an ebay shop in which their incubator prices are lower than their online shop. I bought an RCOM King Suro for 138 pounds, and although it doesn't have an integrated water resevoir for the computer controlled humidity like the RCOM 20, it is a fantastic machine, and I know many people who swear by them for fantastic hatch rates.

    Good luck
     
  9. DrRob

    DrRob Out Of The Brooder

    Thank you for your reply Casey,

    No the Rooster is a standard white Pekin Rooster and he is one hell of a randy chicken in the morning !
    I agree with the staggering this has worried me too - I may just try and do the best with these and get a RCOM 20 for the next 6 eggs which are in storage - There is one available locally and the lady will accept £100.00 (This is for a used RCOM 20)
    I think this is my best option at this time.

    Regards
    Dr Rob.
     
  10. Casey76

    Casey76 Chillin' With My Peeps

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    Wow, that's a great price for an RCOM 20, even a used one, as they tend to hold their value really well!
     

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