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Discussion in 'Emergencies / Diseases / Injuries and Cures' started by hoofpawclawacre, Jan 1, 2014.

  1. hoofpawclawacre

    hoofpawclawacre Out Of The Brooder

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    I want to post these I bought these eggs from someone

    I received 16 blue copper marans, Of the 16: four were liquid or not viable due to shipping or who knows. seven had severe deformities beaks crossed so badly they look like someone broke them, brains sticking out of the skull, missing skull, no eyeballs and no eye socket.

    I contacted the seller stating that I am not looking for a refund or more eggs just hope this will help her with the breeding program. The seller told me my incubator must have spiked a temperature and that causes visual and hearing defects.

    It is my understanding that visual loss and hearing loss can be due to temperature spikes. These chicks did not have sight or hearing loss they were missing body parts. From what I have read this is genetic.

    I cried and got sick through the hatch today. When I hit chick number four with the deformities I got out the camera. There are two chicks living that have severely narrow heads and I am certain they will die. I cannot cull any more and my husband is out of town till late tonight.


    It is hard to see the missing eye sockets, eye balls.

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  2. granny hatchet

    granny hatchet Tastes like chicken Premium Member

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    i am so sorry you have to go through this. i have never seen anything like it before. i have messed up plenty with my bator and nothing like this ever came out. what a shame. IF, people are breeding and inbreeding just to make a buck with no regards to the outcome they should be announced and put out of business. [​IMG]
     
  3. TheChips

    TheChips Chillin' With My Peeps

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    i agree with Granni Hatchet and I am so sorry you have to go through this. I hope someone here can give you some amazing advice. If it does end up being something horrible on the breeders side, I would report them immediately.
     
  4. casportpony

    casportpony Team Tube Feeding Captain & Poop Inspector General Premium Member

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    From: http://edis.ifas.ufl.edu/vm095

    Deformities


    In any animal population during embryonic development, there is a predictable incidence of embryos that die or are not able to hatch due to deformities. Based on this comprehensive investigation, data demonstrated that the percent of deformed embryos ranged from 0.22 to 0.30% of the total hatch. These findings suggest that hatchability declines on the average of 0.25% due to malformed chicks. A combination of deformities and malpositions can be manifested simultaneously. Table 2 shows the incidence of common deformities observed from embryos at 15 to 21 days of incubation. The most common deformities are those of exposed brain (29%), without eye(s) (25%) and with beak abnormalities (+/-35%).

    Table 2.
    Incidence of common deformities
    Deformity

    Description

    %

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    Exposed Brain

    29
    2

    Without eye(s)

    25
    3

    4 legs

    10
    4

    Deformed beak

    27
    5

    No upper beak

    8
    6

    Deformed twisted leg

    1

    More interesting links:
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  5. ChickensAreSweet

    ChickensAreSweet Heavenly Grains for Hens

    Oh I am so sorry for the babies, so sorry for you too- that you both had to endure that.

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    I hope they didn't suffer.
     
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  6. hoofpawclawacre

    hoofpawclawacre Out Of The Brooder

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    Thank you for the awesome information from your link this quote: "Normally, loss of about 1.8% of total hatch due to malpositions and deformities can be anticipated. However, if this is elevated, necessary corrective measures must be taken. The importance of a routine embryo diagnosis program can not be overstated."

    Out of 16 eggs 7 had severe defects: brain protruding the skull, beaks severely crossed, missing eyeballs and missing eye sockets. All of the chicks that lived: only one could stand after 24 hours most of them could only lay and kick. I had hoped that they would gain strength and we could "save" them. My husband returned home from his trip and he culled them all. I had purchased these to add diversity in breeding. This is not the diversity I hoped for.

    If only one chick out of the hatch could walk my from seller's eggs the percentage of incidence is much higher in my hatch. If the incidence would havebeen only one chick I would not have said a thing to the seller as I understand the risks, and success rates especially when eggs are shipped in the mail.

    With the 16 eggs I purchased I also had 14 of my own Ameraucana eggs that hatched 13 healthy chicks from the same 21 days in the same shared incubator.

    This is my worst experience so far. The saddest part of this is once I contacted the seller stating I was not looking for a refund or replacement just wanted to let her know that there may be a problem seller accused me of a bad incubator that "spiked high temps" . Seller stated that their eggs are good & has hatched thousands of chicks. Seller stated that it is my fault.

    I guess if some of my Ameraucana's hatched with some of the defects that the seller's chicks had I would agree as they spent the same days in the incubator.

    I live with my incubator or my incubator lives with me :) and check it 20 times a day actually I check it more than that. I peek at it all the time the digital readout on incubator, the two individual thermometer/hygrometers in the unit. I am into saving chicks not culling, this was painful.

    Thank you kindly for your posts and comments.
     
  7. casportpony

    casportpony Team Tube Feeding Captain & Poop Inspector General Premium Member

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    So sorry you had to go through this, I myself am dealing with my own hatching issues now, so I do know what it's like. Scientifically speaking, I think it's very interesting that there were so many deformities from the eggs you purchased and perhaps a nearby lab would be interested in your findings? If you live in the US, find a lab, call them and speak with their avian pathologist. This link lists a bunch of labs by State:
    http://www.aphis.usda.gov/animal_health/nahln/downloads/all_nahln_lab_list.pdf


    -Kathy
     
  8. realsis

    realsis Crazy for Silkies

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    I'm so very very sorry you had to endure this. And equally sorry the seller blamed this on your incubator! I don't have the answers sadly but I just wanted to give you some support by saying how sorry I am that this tradgedy happened to you. It seems like a awful big percent for one hatch of deformities.
     
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  9. granny hatchet

    granny hatchet Tastes like chicken Premium Member

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    i belive most everyone agrees that it was bad eggs, so the million dollar question, where did the eggs come from?? i dont buy them online but alot of people do and if i ever did i sure would want to know who not to buy from
     
  10. casportpony

    casportpony Team Tube Feeding Captain & Poop Inspector General Premium Member

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    It's probably against the BYC rules to post that sort of info here.

    -Kathy
     

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