Diagnosis help and medications?

Discussion in 'Emergencies / Diseases / Injuries and Cures' started by ShayBaby, Jan 31, 2014.

  1. ShayBaby

    ShayBaby Chillin' With My Peeps

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    I've resigned to the fact that there is something serious going on in my flock. I've lost many, many birds in my short time with poultry. My gut says MG, but with the seemingly endless number of diseases out there with similar symptoms..who knows. I will find somewhere eventually to have them tested, but I'm really not sure where to go for that here.

    I don't even know where to start.. Overall, my flock (currently roughly 35 chickens in the big coop outside and a half dozen youngsters still inside in the brooder) appears healthy. A sneeze here and there, maybe some nasal discharge. Then one random day, someone's eye(s) and sinus area will swell up like a grape, eyes swelled shut. Sometimes I can get an off-whitish, thick cheesy (pus?) to squeeze out, other times nothing comes out. I've noticed my silkies were extremely susceptible to this as I've lost almost every silkie I've owned to it. Once the eyes swell, I know it's just a matter of a day or so before they die. I've had others die (my favorite modern game today, for example) with absolutely no symptoms. I don't know if this is related or a separate incident, but I have one bird (NN cockerel) who one day went lame in one leg with no apparent reason why. It's been a couple months and he still won't use the leg, although there is no injury, swelling, heat, apparent breaks, etc. Therefore, he now lives indoors. For the record, this seems to affect (so far) only the young (under laying age) birds. My grown layers, although they are with the others 24/7, are seemingly unaffected. I've never heard so much as a sneeze from them. Also, there are a dozen or so ducks who usually share a run with the chickens during the day and are cooped separately, but in the same coop (the big coop is divided in half by plywood and fencing) who are also seemingly unaffected. Yesterday, I noticed one of my EE/OE girls (Rupie, 5 months old) with a severely swollen eye that obviously causes her discomfort. Knowing from experience that she may die was the final straw. She was my first hatch and I'm very attached to her. I lost two of her sisters a few days ago after their feet froze solid (frostbite?) and they couldn't recover despite the feet regaining mobility.

    I've gone to TSC numerous times with a list of medications I found here on BYC, but every time TSC has been out of all. Go figure. The birds get, especially when one is affected, ACV in their water occasionally, fresh garlic occasionally, VetRx, Poly-Vi-Sol and poultry vitamins/electrolytes to affected birds.

    Obviously, I know I'll need medical testing to establish a definite diagnosis, but I'm hoping in the meantime someone here can offer some insight. I found this handy treatment list here on BYC, but it's left me more confused than enlightened. I see roughly 20 medications there for MG (assuming that's what I've got going on)! Which are "the best"? I'm going to run again to TSC here in just a couple of hours to see if they have anything in stock.

    Also, I should mention that I do quarantine new birds and have never noticed any illness brought in. Of course I could have overlooked something. And there are MANY wild birds on the property out here (over 100 acres out in the boonies) that get into the run. Since it's snowed, I've noticed bird tracks everywhere inside and just yesterday morning I found a young sparrow dead in the run.

    I know I'll get a lot of "cull" suggestions, but that is not an option for me. And it won't be until it's pertinent to the well-being of my birds. These birds are family to me. They each have a name and a special place in my heart. I'd rather never let a bird leave these premises and spend big $ to treat them for the remainder of their lives than kill them.
     
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  2. Eggcessive

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    Hey, I just live down the road a bit! I think you probably are either dealing with MG or coryza. Coryza tends to be stinky, and have worse symptoms. I would get some Tylan Soluble Powder or Tylan 50 injectible to treat any sick birds. The Tylan50 is $12, the powder for the water is $40-50, but it will medicate at lot more birds. Gallimycin (or erythromycin) would be another one for around $25. And then there is Duramycin or tetracycline--this one works, but some diseases have built up resistance to it. To call about testing or a necropsy, here is the number for the state vet: 614-728-6210. Once you find out if it is MG, you can vaccinate for it. Here is a link for Tylan online, and a link for a good information about the respiratory diseases:
    http://www.amazon.com/Elanco-DC120-Soluble-Powder-100-Grams/dp/B00061MQIC
    http://edis.ifas.ufl.edu/ps044
     
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  4. ShayBaby

    ShayBaby Chillin' With My Peeps

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    Thank you! Howdy, neighbor! So nice to see someone else from the area! Thank you both for the articles. I do realize MG can't be cured, sadly; I'm just hoping to help them live to ripe old ages.

    @Eggcessive Thank you thank you! Will the Tylan be beneficial if it turns out to be another respiratory issue other than MG? Or rather, if I start them on it now before I get the testing done, could it harm them? Or should I definitely wait until the testing is complete? I'd just like to help Rupie with the eye swelling however I can quickly before it's too late for her.
     
  5. Eggcessive

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    I would call about testing ASAP. I would want to know what it is first, but it depends on how long that takes. If you have coryza, they may have a bad odor from the head, and coryza is better treated with sulfadimethoxine or Di-Methox. Albon and Sulfamed-G are other brands. It is supposed to be better than Sulmet which can also be used. Here is a link for the Di-Methox, and it also comes in a powder form for $12: http://www.jefferspet.com/di-methox-drinking-water-solution/camid/liv/cp/A2-DB/
     
  6. ShayBaby

    ShayBaby Chillin' With My Peeps

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    Thank you again.
    Now one more question. Her left eye is swollen to the size of her head. It's swollen so bad she can't properly close her beak. The eye can't open at all for the facial swelling. It looks miserable. I imagine it would be painful, but I have some 22 gauge syringes. Would it be a bad idea to attempt to drain that (the pus is probably so thick the syringe couldn't extract it anyways), try to extract it another way, or just leave it be?

    ETA. Well, I tried it anyways. I managed to drain most of it with very minor bleeding, but it filled right back up and I didn't want to poke her anymore, so I left it be. Hopefully the swelling diminishes on it's own.
     
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