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Discussion in 'Predators and Pests' started by pampa, Jun 12, 2009.

  1. pampa

    pampa Hatching

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    this has never happened before but my dog attacked my nieghbors chickens. i was told that tieing the dead chicken around the dogs neck helps. but i know a great deal about dog beahvior and i can't figure out how this would help. does any one have any suggestions as to what i should do to make sure that this never happens again?
    this wasn't a viscous attack, more of a chase and jump on, but its still bad. i really want to avoid this. i have been keep him under close supervision but i know i wont always be able to.
    any help will be great.
     
  2. speckledhen

    speckledhen Intentional Solitude

    Were the chickens on your property or the neighbors'? If they were on yours, no problem. If your dog was on theirs, you owe them some $$. And you owe your dog a fence. Usually, they can't be trained to quit killing chickens and since the chickens aren't in your dog's usual routine, it'd be hard to do anything except restrain him, as he should be.
     
  3. ohiofarmgirl

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    Jan 22, 2009
    Usually, they can't be trained to quit killing chickens and since the chickens aren't in your dog's usual routine

    yikes!

    first - yes run right over to the neighbors, apologize profusely work up a tear and have your checkbook in hand

    two - fence or they are probably able to legally shoot your dog... and even if the chickens were on your side... good fences make good neighbors. this is the kind of thing that ends in a feud.

    three - from above - yes you CAN train them but its hard, takes time, you have to catch them in the act.. and you have to be the type of person that has control over your dog - they can't be your 'baby' or rule your roost. email me and i'll tell you exactly how.

    i would NOT tied the hen around your dog's neck. if anything it would be horrible for them to watch their little feathered friend rot around your dogs neck.
    :-(​
     
  4. dbone

    dbone In the Brooder

    i think that once they have blood...it is tough.
    my friend has a pit bull, they got chicks and she leaves them alone...but when she comes over my house, i am terrified...but my buddy has control over her so she doesnt do anything to my baby turkeys.
    get some chickens...raise them around your dog. [​IMG]
     
  5. cmjust0

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    Quote:Boy, oh boy... You may not realize it yet, my friend, but you just stuck your head in the lion's mouth..

    To everyone about to jump his hind end, let me just point a few things out:

    The chicken killing dog's owner came here looking for answers..how often do you see that? The owner is also obviously pretty upset that his dog killed someone's chickens, and has clearly taken responsibility for his dog's actions...how often do we see that? He's come here looking for ways to keep this from happening again, instead of saying "dogs kill chickens, it's what they do!"...how often do we see that?

    To me, just the fact that he's sought out our help speaks volumes. If the owners of every chicken-killing dog were as pro-active as this owner, chicken owners probably wouldn't have NEARLY the problems they do now..

    Now, back to the OP...

    i really want to avoid this. i have been keep him under close supervision but i know i wont always be able to.
    any help will be great.

    First, what you absolutely need to understand that the usual advice to owners of killed chickens is something called SSS -- shoot, shovel, and shut up. That is, shoot the offending animal, bury it, and let it go at that.

    You should consider yourself lucky that you still have a living, breathing dog.... If a dog came around and attacked any of my livestock, it would be dead -- and I'm a dog lover. We have six dogs, in fact, and they're like children to us, so it's not like chicken people are inherently anti-dog people.. We just can't lose chickens left and right, it's as simple as that. Moreover, most laws are on our side provided that the chickens were on our side...of the fence.

    So, basically, if you want your dog to live and your neighbor keeps chickens, you'd do well to keep the dog fenced in. If you can't keep it fenced in and you don't want it to up and disappear one day -- because it probably will -- you might consider finding it another home..

    I know that sucks, and it's a tough pill to swallow, but breaking your dog from killing chickens -- using your neighbor's chickens as test material -- simply isn't going to work.

    Best of luck to you, and I mean that in all sincerity. I wish more dog owners were as concerned as you seem to be.​
     
  6. ohiofarmgirl

    ohiofarmgirl Songster

    Jan 22, 2009
    You should consider yourself lucky that you still have a living, breathing dog.... If a dog came around and attacked any of my livestock, it would be dead -- and I'm a dog lover. We have six dogs, in fact, and they're like children to us, so it's not like chicken people are inherently anti-dog people.. We just can't lose chickens left and right, it's as simple as that. Moreover, most laws are on our side provided that the chickens were on our side...of the fence.

    thanks for saying this - and i think we need to make sure that we give kudos to the OP and call out to everyone that they are looking for help and not meanness.
    :)

    but to 2nd cmjust0 - i love my neighbors but their dogs had better stay on their property. i'm just fine with SSS.... and we fenced our yard b/c our dogs took off after theirs after he came into the yard. technically my dogs were doing their job by keeping predators out... but once they crossed the property line they were in the wrong. the $300 we spent on field fence has kept the friendship in tact with the neighbors.​
     
  7. ~*Sweet Cheeks*~

    ~*Sweet Cheeks*~ Songster

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    Keep your dog fenced on your own property. I have 3 dogs and new chicken owner of 13.

    I keep them fenced in their own areas. I don't believe in letting my dogs run even though I'm on 4 acres.
     
  8. phoenixmama

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    I agree with everything that cmjust0 said.

    I am also the owner of a chicken killing dog...in my case, he has only killed 2 of my chickens. I don't trust him around my birds, so I act accordingly and take pro-active measures. If he were to get some of my neighbor's birds, I would fully understand if he was dispatched. Luckily though, we have a cement block wall surrounding the backyard...so he hasn't gotten the chance to get any of my neighbor's birds.

    Good luck with your dog, and I'm glad that you are trying to make it right with your neighbor.
     
  9. Suellyn

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    First of all [​IMG] !!! Like cmjust0 said, It is good that you have taken this seriously enough to have come to a chicken website for advice.

    The "thought process" behind tying a chicken victim to the dog is that the dog will get to experience the hideous process of being unable to escape the burden of a progressively rotting carcass, thereby "teaching" the dog to hate/avoid chickens. NOT exactly sound or effective training methodology in my book... (!!!!). Not to mention gruesome...

    Again: were the chickens on YOUR property, or did your dog go onto your NEIGHBORS property????

    Bottom line: It is a pet owner's reponsibility to keep the animals (dog OR chicken) confined to their own property.

    *Which critter was in the wrong yard?* Chicken or dog? That is what will determine responsibility/negligence.....
     
  10. pampa

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    i would like to mention a couple of things.

    this is a land co-op, there are no fences and everyone involved would like to keep it that way. my neighbors also have a dog and the SSS option is not one they would take. these are animal lovers... all animals. this is something that happens. before i ever got onto this chicken form and posted anything i obviously was in contact with my neighbors, we've already reached an understanding. i am replacing the chickens they lost as well as fixing up their fence (the chickens).
    i understand dog behavior more than most people who own dogs. i am a responsible owner. as i said before this is a land co-op and my dog and my neighbors dog were running around together freely.... as all the dogs here do. that was a mistake on my part and i should have kept him beside me where i can control him. thanks for the advise, but this is not so much a dispute between neighbors, we've already reached a conclusion and we are still on good terms. this is more about the future and the dogs behavior.
    i am sorry if this is upsetting to anyone in this form. but honestly i don't see how any of you could or should be more upset than me and my neighbors.
    i was just trying every avenue. i figured there should be people around who have both dogs and chickens and might have had to deal with similar situations. this is not a Dog Vs. Chicken situation. we are just trying to all live happily together. this is not a killing dog in the sense that he attacked and tore these chickens apart, he didn't.
    dogs have various motor patterns that they have or have not maintained through their evolutionary past. he is a herder so he has the chase, he even has the heal nip that so many herders have. he doesn't have the bite. this was a very shocking event because so many as he was growing up i've seen him chase an animal and get right on top of it just to step back and let it go so as to chase it again. obviously i would not want him even chasing the chickens.

    thank you for your help and also for some of you sticking up for me. we are all animal lovers and i hope to have my own chickens some day as well.
     

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