I see a lot of threads here where dog owners are blasted when their dogs attack and/or kill one of their chickens. Some members will go as far as saying those people shouldn't have animals and that what they are allowing to happen is abuse. Abuse to me is the intentionally harming or neglect of animals. Training a dog to be aggressive by allowing it to maul other live animals would also come under my understanding of abuse. Things like using live quail as targets and to train bird dogs, in my opinion, is more of a cultural issue and I don't consider that abuse. Rooster fighting is another thing I consider cultural and am somewhat neutral on but I don't like it either. Please don't debate these items as they are just my opinion and stated here to help develop and intelligent conversation. So back to my original thought. On other threads people are condemned for not protecting their chickens against their own dogs but what about cats? How many people here have outdoor cats? How many innocent animals do those cats kill in a day, week or year? Why is it such a tragedy and outrage when a dog kills a chicken but it's ok and "natural" when a cat kills an entire nest of birds or a baby rabbit? Shouldn't cats, like dogs, should be kept under an owner's control or not owned at all. I say that with the realization that in rural settings both cats and dogs are used to eliminate predators and rodents. "Under control" can also be defined as kept on the owner's property, not locked or tied up.