Double Lacing

Discussion in 'General breed discussions & FAQ' started by Resolution, Dec 21, 2010.

  1. Resolution

    Resolution Chillin' With My Peeps

    Hi All,

    Can anyone describe to me the origins of double lace plumage? We've just has the trait spontaneously appear on a cockerel hatched from an accidental cross between two ancient breeds - the lines of which have been in my extended family for many generations- the 1950's and 70's to be specific.-
    Double lacing is completely unknown in either of the archaic breeds and I've never seen anything like it appear on the wings of a male- save for a recent search of wyandottes- but what is the origin of the double lacing- what is its history in chicken breeds well known to all of us? How can I breed to select for the trait without dipping into any other breeds-? That's a stupid question naturally- that last question.


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  2. Henk69

    Henk69 Chillin' With My Peeps

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    Double lacing is a female specific color pattern. The males are melanized black breasted reds.
    You get it when the columbian factor is lost from a single laced chicken.
     
  3. Resolution

    Resolution Chillin' With My Peeps

    Quote:Firstly, what is that beautiful bird you have as your avatar? You never cease to amaze me. I think you are a great artist.

    Secondly- getting to this pattern issue-please explain the Columbian factor? Is it safe to assume this colour type originated in the South American country of Columbia?

    As the double lacing is a female specific colour pattern- how is it present in Seabright and Wynadotte?

    Have you ever seen double lacing pop up out of nowhere -and then only on the wings of a single cockerel? Is this even double lacing? I don't even know that I comprehend what double lacing is. If the Columbian factor is "lost" from a single laced chicken- could you please illustrate what you clearly understand and I do not? Where does the columbian factor originate- how has it become affixed in so many breeds and -how is it then lost?
    Where did "Tiko" accrue double lacing or whatever it is? We've never had a single double laced breed at the foundation where these birds have been maintained for four and five decades now.
     
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  4. Tamiym

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    Maybe this bird is a hen?
     
  5. Resolution

    Resolution Chillin' With My Peeps

    Quote:I'm pretty certain that's a cockerel. His posture says " I am someone's spoiled favorite!"
     
  6. Henk69

    Henk69 Chillin' With My Peeps

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    Secondly- getting to this pattern issue-please explain the Columbian factor? Is it safe to assume this colour type originated in the South American country of Columbia?

    Columbian Wyandottes were started in 1893 from White Wyandottes and Barred Plymouth Rocks as a result of the cross two females were hatched with clean legs, pencilled hackle and a body inclined to be white. It is named Columbian because of the Columbian Exposition and World's Fair held in Chicago.

    The columbian factor on a red jungle fowl would give a buff columbian color. This would be more suitable for sandy areas. Main feature is that the body of both genders becomes groundcolored (gold/buff); less black pattern.
    The gene is dominant.

    As the double lacing is a female specific colour pattern- how is it present in Seabright and Wynadotte?

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    Sebrights and wyandottes are single laced. Due to the columbian factor the males are able show the lacing too.

    If the Columbian factor is "lost" from a single laced chicken- could you please illustrate what you clearly understand and I do not? Where does the columbian factor originate- how has it become affixed in so many breeds and -how is it then lost?

    If single laced chickens are impure for this dominant gene Columbian, a percentage of the offspring will be double laced.
    This impurity can be from a crossing to a chicken without columbian in his ancestry.

    Another way is to get the building blocks of double laced together from other breeds. These building blocks are Ml and Pg. Pg is in pencilled and laced breeds. Ml is in some solid black breeds and in patterns like silver spangled hamburgh.​
     
  7. Resolution

    Resolution Chillin' With My Peeps

    Henk! You are killing me! What is this rooster in your avatar ? I can't understand what it is! It's got a bit of help in the photoshop department?

    It almost looks like an Ayam Kedu ( Cemani) line Devin Tamiym and Yashar are working with.

    Ok getting back to the "Double Lace" which is actually a single lace.

    1. Doesn't the Wyandotte get its single lacing from Seabright?

    2. Isn't the Seabright a product of Sri Lanka X Grey JF hybrid females bred to bantams? I understand that when you cross those two wild species and then pair the siblings together the hybrid progeny are henny feathered and tiny. Is it possible the single lacing is derived of one of the JF species?

    3. Is this specimen " Tiko" exhibiting a single laced pattern? I've never had it appear in all the years -never seen it before and frankly I'm excited.
     
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  8. punky rooster

    punky rooster Awesome

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    as far as I know sebrights are not related to wyandottes, I know they called the first wyandottes "american sebrights".
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  9. Chris09

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    The Silver Laced Wyandotte was once known as the "American Sebright" and "Sebright Cochin"
    Although the true origin is not known it is thought that the Dark Brahma and Spangled Hamburgs were used be the originator of the "American Sebright" .

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  10. Resolution

    Resolution Chillin' With My Peeps

    I wonder why the name of (Dr.?) Mr. Sebright was used if his genetics were not used?

    If we can for a moment- theoretically speaking - accept that the Sebright were a paternal ancestor of the Wynadotte where does that bring us in this discussion?

    Alternatively, if we accept the Hamburg as the source of this fascinating feather pattern- where did it come from?

    Incredible- incredible- Can someone please post some photos of these different breeds and colour patterns so that those of us ignorant as i am might be educated?
     

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