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DUBBING OLD ENGLIS GAMES AND MODERN GAME BANTAMS

Discussion in 'General breed discussions & FAQ' started by Glenda Heywoodo, Feb 26, 2017.

  1. Glenda Heywoodo

    Glenda Heywoodo Chillin' With My Peeps

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    DUBBING OLD ENGLISH GAME AND MODERN GAME BANTAMS
    Glenda Heywood
    After living in South Carolina for over 18 yrs I learned a lot about dubbing Old English Games.

    To be able to show Old English and Modern Games.

    Thy must be Dubbed.
    ...

    MODERN GAMES ARE DIFFERENT.
    We raised many Modern Game Bantams

    When dubbing Modern Games one dubbs all the area under the chin off,

    which means all loose skin.
    not leaving any skin left just has to heal tight and snake headed.
    go on line to bing and se lots of pictures.

    https://www.bing.com/images/search?view=detailV2&ccid=h55bgNUw&id=5341605A2C7B079D4B218F3554BEC465F8E4E4B0&q=photos+of+dubbing+modern+game+bantams&simid=608037499271774254&selectedIndex=4&ajaxhist=0
    So that the skin has to grow back tight and make the Modern Game snake headed.

    the healing pulls the beak skin tight.

    MY BEST ADVISE IS WHAT MY HUSAND DID:
    MODERN GAME COCKEREL
    He would take cockerels that were not the best.

    and dub them first, to get the idea in his head:

    and then dub the ones he was to show.

    It is simple:
    THE COMB IS DUBBED FLAT TO THE HEAD

    start at back and dub to front of comb.

    Then dub by cutting all the loose skin, wattles etc off under the head on the neck.

    OLD ENGLISH GAME DUBBING

    NOW important: FOR OLD ENGLISH GAME:

    you do not want the SKIN to be taken of as on Old English Game,
    they are NOT SNAKE HEADED

    They are a breed that can be dubbed by following the line in their comb that comes with hatch.

    From front to back and then come down straight in the back.

    Also only cut just what you have to on the ear lobes,
    so the skin does not have to grown back.

    I learned from the best Ralph Sheriff Sr and Jr. from Piedmont SC.

    As they had shown Old English game bantams for 60 yrs.

    Old English have just the comb dubbed about 1/4 inch above head.
    And then just dub one wattle at a time .
    Then dub other wattle off
    do not take any extra skin off OLD ENGLISH GAMES.
    They need all the skin on after dubbing them.
    so they heal up nicely.

    Now as to what kind of dubbing shears to buy?

    And it is wise to buy a good brand of sissors.

    We got ours from a surgical supply house in Omaha Nebraska.

    DO NOT BUY FROM CHINA.
    Do not buy china made sissors as they do not use hardened steel.

    THE STEEL IS NOT GOOD AND IT TAKES A SHARP PAIR OF SHEARS.

    Thus surgical shears are made with sharp good solid steel.
     
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  2. The Moonshiner

    The Moonshiner Chillin' With My Peeps

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    What age do you dub modern game bantams?
    Any links to pics of where exactly to dub?
    I know nothing about dubbing but probably time to learn. We just picked up 44 assorted modern game bantam chicks two days ago.
     
  3. Glenda Heywoodo

    Glenda Heywoodo Chillin' With My Peeps

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    Well we let the chicks hatched at this time of year go till say Septmber 3rd week and then dubbed them so they will be healed by shows in late October.
    A peson can go on line and see photos of the MODER GAME BANTAMS THAT HAVE BEEN DUBBED ON BING.
    https://www.bing.com/images/search?...608037499271774254&selectedIndex=4&ajaxhist=0

    I WOULD HOLD THE MODERN GAME COCKEREL
    by the body and hold the head still for him to dub.
    AND MY HUSBAND WOULD DUBB THEM.
    THE IMPORTANT PART IS THIS:

    :
    When dubbing Modern Games one dubbs all the area under the chin off,
    which means all loose skin.
    not leaving any skin left on, just has to heal tight and snake headed.

    So that the skin has to grow back tight and make the Modern Game snake headed.

    the healing pulls the beak skin tight.

    MY BEST ADVISE IS WHAT MY HUSBAND DID:
    He would take cockerels that were not the best.

    and dub them first, to get the idea in his head:

    and then dub the ones he was to show.

    It is simple:

    THE COMB IS DUBBED FLAT TO THE HEAD

    start at back and dub to front of comb.

    Then dub by cutting all the loose skin, wattles etc off under the head on the neck.

    THE MOST IMPORTANT PART IS THE DUBBING SHEARS.

    We got ours from a surgical supply place.

    DO NOT BUY CHINA MADE SHEARS.
    THE STEEL IS NOT GOOD OR HARD,
    AND IT TAKES A SHARP PAIR OF SHEARS.

    Thus surgical shears are made with sharp good solid steel.
     
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  4. Glenda Heywoodo

    Glenda Heywoodo Chillin' With My Peeps

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    WE SHOWED BIRCHEN MODERN GAMES FOR MANY YEARS

    there are certain facts about Modern Games you should know.

    I see you are from Missouri,
    here is n excellent show in all a SEDALIA MISSOURI
    obtain the Poultry Press AD from on line and it will hav the dates of shows in USA.


    hopefully your winters are not bad.
    MODERN GAMES are not "winter chickens" they freeze easily.


    We aways took our breeding MODERN GAMES into the heated building in late october in Iowa.

    here is some facts on MODERN GAME rom
    MOODY BANTAMS

    https://sites.google.com/site/moodysbantams/moody-s-birds/modern-game-bantams

    Because of their delicate characteristics, Moderns require a little more care than other breeds. They are not the kind of
    chicken you just throw into your flock.

    During cold winter nights, they may freeze to death because they are unable to keep themselves warm, their long legs make them more likely to suffer from tendonitis, breaks, and splays, and when they get sick, they usually die.

    Naturally, they live shorter lives than other breeds (a healthy, well-treated chicken can live for about 7-15 years, some varieties of Modern Game only live for 3-4 years); however, this is dependent on the individual strain. Production is poor, both in meat and eggs.

    A single Modern egg is about half the size of your average egg from the grocery store, and if you're lucky, you may be able to pick off a chicken nugget's worth of meat from a Modern Game.

    If given proper care, they can make excellent pets, but keep in mind that cocks can become quite aggressive during the breeding season because of their Pit Game lineage.

    They integrate well with other established flocks. Hens are not the best mothers simply because they do not possess the body to brood a good-sized batch of eggs or chicks.
    They are easy to take care of if you provide them with a proper coop (one that can be completely closed off to prevent drafts and chilly breezes from getting inside the coop in the winter) perches, and room to exercise their gamey nature.
    Showing Moderns

    It is particularly important that Moderns be trained to pose on command.
    In tough competition a Grand Champion Modern Game, as opposed to the Reserve Champion Modern Game, can come down to something as simple as who poses and who doesn't.
    They should pose erect, with heads held high and alert and tails straight outward.
    Cocks must be dubbed in order to be shown.
    Common problems in show Moderns include: over-lacing, high tail, legs too short, feathers lacking in "springiness" (otherwise known as soft feathering), improper coloring on faces, incorrect or incomplete dubbing of cocks (wattles, comb, and earlobes must all be dubbed) etc.

    GLENDA HEYWOOD
    MR. MOODY HAS RASIED MODERN GAMES for many years.
    The Modern Game is a very special chicken as it is a proud and striking chicken.
    They are to be babied some.
    IE:I always took care of them in a home made brooder on our enclosed porch.


    The brooder was made out of 1x12" lumber 6ft long 6 ft wide.
    With half covered top of thin sheet of lumber.
    And then I kept a large heavy bath towel over the other half in front
    The lighting was made on 1"x4" lumber one in back half of brooder.
    and one in front of brooder.
    Each 1"x4" lumber strip had an electric socket nailed in to the lumber
    OF WHICH WE PUT ANY WHERE FROM 25 WATT BULB TO A 60 WATT BULB.
    AS HEAT WAS TO BE 99 DGREES FOR NEW HATCHED CHICKS.


    I would keep all Modern Game females over a week with new chicks,
    IE: as they needed the xtra time in brooder.
    And they taught the new chicks to eat and drink.
    THE WATER AND FEEDER WERE IN MIDDLE OF BROODER
    SO THE CHICKS COULD GET AWAY FROM THE HEAT SOME TO EAT.
    The light bulb in brooder front was of less wattage than back light bulb.
    So the chicks would not get too hot.


    I always raised the female MODERN GAMES separate from the MALES.
    As Modern Game females are very delicate.


    I loved their kindly nature and such beauties.
    Just some personal thoughts on MODERN GAMES.
    Glenda Heywood
     
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  5. Glenda Heywoodo

    Glenda Heywoodo Chillin' With My Peeps

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    SOME INFORMTION On MODERN GAMES

    read this about Modern Games

    IE: susceptible to Marek's Disease

    Well, I would add this.
    We never in several decades had any disease in our Modern Games
    except maybe a small coccidiosis attack.
    As with any of our other breeds we never had Marek's disease.


    We always kept our chicken house clean and always used:
    sanitary waterers and feeders.
    Ceaned daily so nothing got in the brds system,
    but clean food and water.


    MAKE NOTE OF THIS
    CAUSED BY darkling beetles and mealworms that live in the chicken house.

    Keep all pests out of chicken house.
    If building is older and has cracks in it.
    Every fall take and mix kerosene and sevin dust and paint all the chicken house cracks and holes.
    WHERE THESE DARKLING BEETLS AND MEALWORMS LIVE.


    ANY CHICKEN WORTH ITS "SALT" WILL GRAB A DARKLING BEETLE:
    AND OR MEAL WORM, SO DESTROY THE LIVING QUARTERS OF THESE PESTS.


    INFORMATION ON THIS IS:
    Mealworms are the larval form of the mealworm beetle,
    Tenebrio molitor, a species of darkling beetle. Like all holometabolic insects,
    they go through four life stages: egg, larva, pupa, and adult.
    Larvae typically measure about 2.5 cm or more, whereas adults are generally between 1.25 and 1.8 cm in length.


    Some facts about Marek's disease is this:

    BASICALLY IT IS THE INVIRNEMENT THEY ARE RAISED IN :
    AND WHAT BRINGS THE DISEASE TO YOUR CHICKEN HOUSES ARE AN INSECT.



    IE: Cause / Transmission: A herpes-virus.

    Highly contagious. Spreads by bird-to-bird contact, by contact with infected dust and dander,

    CAUSED BY THIS:and by darkling beetles and mealworms that live in the chicken house.

    Morbidity is 10-50% and mortality up to 100%.

    Mortality in an affected flock typically continues at a moderate or high rate for quite a few weeks.

    Occurs mainly in chickens under 16 weeks of age.

    In late Marek's the mortality can extend to 40 weeks of age

    . Affected birds are more susceptible to other diseases, both parasitic and bacterial.

    The virus doesn’t survive the incubation process well and is not spread by hatching eggs.

    Immune transfer from the hen to the chick provides some protection to the chick for the first few days.

    GLENDA HEYWOOD

    MODERN GAMES AS WITH ANY CHICKEN BREED: PICKS UP;

    THE DIEASES LEFT IN CHICKN HOUSING THEY ARE KEPT IN.

    CLEANLINESS IS VERY IMPORTAN WITH ALL CHICKEN BREEDS.
     
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