Duck leg hurt

Discussion in 'Emergencies / Diseases / Injuries and Cures' started by maryjane76, Apr 23, 2016.

  1. maryjane76

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    My pekin duck has a terrible limp. I know he did not get attacked. He can put weight on it but he has a hard time walking. The leg seems weak. He is eating and drinking. He is super alert he just walks really funny. Please give me some advice. My ducks are my babies.
     
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    He is walking some better but if he gets excited he becomes really off balance and falls. He gets up and goes on. I read alot of the post about let him rest,keep water and food close. He is in a cage inside. Is there any other advice?
     
  3. Amiga

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    Hi, how old is he?

    If he is younger (duckling or adolescent) it is possibly a B vitamin deficiency showing up, and at this age, B vitamin supplements can help.

    I don't think it would hurt to put a tablespoon of brewer's yeast (not baking yeast) per cup of food for a few weeks and see how it goes.

    It's the getting excited and off balance that makes me think it could be a B vitamin deficiency.

    There are other possibilities, like a pulled muscle or pinched nerve.

    It will also probably help, regardless, for him to get time to float in a lukewarm tub, no soap. Takes the weight off the leg, improves circulation and strengthens and relaxes muscles. And you can closely observe how he's moving and whether there are any other symptoms.

    So he is eating and drinking and pooping normally?

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    Also, have you posted on the Duck Forum? I suggest you do so if you have not already.
     
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    Yes he is eating, drinking, going to the bathroom all very well. George is also very verbal when I talk to him. He is around 3months old. I started the vitamin b per your advice. His leg looks bowed just the one. Can I splint it would that help? I will try anything you suggest. Thank you again for helping me with George. Since I started the B vitamin he is calming down. He is still bossy and wants his food and water first, but I think this is my fault I do baby him a lot due to his leg. Again I will do whatever you suggest.
     
  5. Amiga

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    No pressure! [​IMG] I better get this right!!!

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    Okay. . . I am not sure about splinting.... what I feel pretty strongly is that time floating in lukewar water - supervised - will improve circulation, strengthen muscles, and make him happy. Happy hormones help healing.

    See if this helps give you some ideas about splints and such. . . https://sites.google.com/a/poultrypedia.com/poultrypedia/

    @Kevin565 - any experience with this kind of leg issue?
     
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    Hi. Add niacin to his diet ASAP! Growing ducklings need more niacin than is available in feed. You can use brewer's yeast (I use some dog tablets that I bought at TSC), plain cream of wheat, Cheerios, anything in your pantry high in niacin. But definitely brewer's yeast. Supplement with greens and veggies; kale, tomatoes, broccoli, etc. Easy on the spinach; it can deplete calcium. Paddling around in a bath will help. You can do a soak with Epsom salts, but be sure he doesn't drink any. Truly, the only thing that will fix this, and fix it fast, is niacin. You'll be amazed at the rapid improvement.
     
  7. casportpony

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    Welcome to BYC! Read this: http://metzerfarms.blogspot.com/2011/03/are-my-ducklings-leg-problems-due-to.html

    -Kathy
     
  8. maryjane76

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    I do appreciate all the great advice. George loves his swim in the tub, however he tries to drink the water with Epsom salt. I stop he becomes very verbal. I will start the cream of wheat today. He does enjoy his water with b vitamin. I found a package with a bunch of vitamins. Again thank you all for giving me advice on how to help George.
     
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    Are My Ducklings' Leg Problems Due to a Niacin Deficiency?


    Originally posted by John Metzer on Wed, Dec 29, 2010 @ 03:22 PM

    Niacin is a critical vitamin required for the correct development of ducklings and goslings. In fact, waterfowl have a higher requirement for niacin (also called nicotinic acid) than chickens. Niacin is formed from the amino acid tryptophan and waterfowl do not synthesize niacin well from tryptophan.

    What do the birds look like if there is a niacin deficiency? If there is a lack of niacin in their feed, initially some birds are reluctant to move about. Eventually their hocks swell and their legs develop a bowed shape. It becomes very difficult for them to move about and they do not gain weight or thrive. In young birds you will see problems within several days if they do not have adequate niacin. If they remain on a low niacin diet, death may occur within two to three weeks as it is just too painful for the birds to move to eat and drink.

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    A series of pictures from the book, Nutrition and Management of Ducks, with permission of the authors, showing a normal duckling (A) and ducklings (B,C,D) that were fed Niacin deficient diets.

    How can this happen? If you are not using a balanced chick starter designed for broiler chicks or game birds, you may have problems. If you are using a chick starter developed exclusively for laying chickens, it probably does not have enough niacin. Do not make their diet exclusively whole grains, like Chicken Scratch. On very rare occasions, the lack of niacin could be from a mistake at the feed mill.

    So how much niacin do waterfowl require? It should be at least 55 parts per million (ppm). This is the same as 55mg per kilogram of feed or 55mg per 2.2 pounds of feed. Oftentimes this is not on the label but if you contact the manufacturer of the feed, they should tell you the minimum guaranteed level in the feed. You can go to our website for a complete list of waterfowl nutrientrequirements.

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    A bottle of Niacin tablets, 500 mgs per tablet.​

    How can I supplement niacin? Niacin can be easily purchased at a nutrition or drug store. Typically the pills contain 500 mgs of niacin per tablet. Assuming a duck is eating about .35 lbs per day (this is how much a Pekin is eating at about 3 -4 weeks of age) , they need 10 milligrams (mgs) of niacin a day. So, theoretically, one pill has enough niacin for 50 ducks. But if you are grinding up a pill and spreading it over pelleted feed, much of it will sift to the bottom and not be consumed. Add a little water to the feed and it will “stick” to the pellets.

    An alternative is to add it to their drinking water (assuming they have no swimming water). If they drink 100% of the water you give them, you only need to add one 500 mg tablet to every 8 gallons of water. But we both know that does not happen. If you think they are wasting half their water, then add one 500 mg tablet to only four gallons of water. For your own calculations, go to the table on our website on daily feed and water consumption of ducklings.

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    Two broiler chicks, the one on the left was fed a niacin deficient diet.
    Photo courtesy of DSM Nutritional Products.​


    Are there alternatives to pure Niacin? If you are concerned with the possibility that other vitamins may be missing, too, you can purchase Vitamin B liquid supplements. The GNC product I found had 20 mg of niacin per dropper full. This is enough for two ducks that are 3-4 weeks old. This might be the best way to administer niacin if your birds are exhibiting leg problems. By administering the niacin to each bird, you will know they are getting the required niacin.

    A feed ingredient that is rich in niacin is dried brewers yeast. There is about 5mg niacin per 15 grams (one tablespoon) of human grade brewers yeast. Livestock grade brewers yeast is not as concentrated. There is only about 1.5 grams niacin for each tablespoon of livestock grade brewers yeast.

    If you are not sure if your problem is due to inadequate niacin, give them some sort of additional niacin as soon as possible. You will not harm them if you give them too much niacin. And if they quickly recover, you know you found the problem.

    What if only a few of my birds have leg problems? Variability within a flock is normal. Each bird varies on how well it forms niacin from tryptophan, either due to genetics or the different microflora in their gut. It would not be unusual to have a single flock of birds, with some exhibiting a niacin deficiency and others walking perfectly normally - but all eating the same feed.

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    Glory, a duck that was rescued by Majestic Waterfowl Sanctuary, arrived with leg problems due to a niacin deficient diet.​

    How long does it take for recovery? Except for the extreme cases such as the picture above, improvement is normally seen within several days and there can be complete recovery. But this requires adequate niacin within 24 hours of the first sign of a problem.
     
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    http://www.metzerfarms.com/NutritionalRequirements.cfm

    Nutritional Requirements For Ducks and Geese


    MINIMUM NUTRIENT REQUIREMENTS FOR DUCK AND GOOSE FEED
    TYPE OF BIRD DUCK & GOOSE DUCK & GOOSE DUCK GOOSE GOOSE DUCK & GOOSE
    TYPE OF FEED STARTER GROWER LAYER LAYER HI-GAIN MAINTENANCE
    FORM Crumble Crumble Pellet Pellet Pellet Pellet
    LIFE STAGE 0-2 Weeks 3 Weeks-First Egg During Egg Production During Egg Production Geese for Processing Between Laying Seasons
    Metabolizable Energy Kcal/kg 2920 3010 2740 2740 3000 2700
    Crude Protein % 22-22.5* 17.5-19 17.5 15.5 16 14.5-16
    Crude Fat % 4 4 5 4 5.8 4
    Linoleic Acid % 1 1 1.5 1 0.7 1
    Crude Fiber % 4 5 5 5 5.5 6

    MINERALS
    Potassium % 0.83 0.80 0.80 0.80 0.40 0.40
    Calcium % 1.00 0.90 3.00 2.50 0.75 0.90
    Available Phosphorus % 0.40 0.35 0.40 0.30 0.30 0.35
    Magnesium % 0.05 0.05 0.05 0.05 0.05 0.05
    Sodium % 0.14 0.14 0.14 0.14 0.14 0.14
    Chloride % 0.16 0.16 0.16 0.12 0.12 0.12
    Iron mg/kg 80.00 60.00 60.00 30.00 20.00 50.00
    Manganese mg/kg 50.00 60.00 60.00 70.00 60.00 60.00
    Copper mg/kg 8.00 8.00 8.00 3.00 1.50 6.00
    Zinc mg/kg 60.00 65.00 65.00 70.00 60 (100)* 40.00
    Iodine mg/kg 0.40 0.40 0.40 0.60 0.60 0.40
    Selenium mg/kg 0.20 0.20 0.20 0.11 0.11 0.11

    AMINO ACIDS
    Arginine % 0.94 1.00 0.60 0.60 0.65 0.50
    Histidine % 0.42 0.29 0.30 0.30 0.22 0.20
    Isoleucine % 0.63 0.46 0.38 0.50 0.50 0.40
    Leucine % 1.26 0.91 0.76 0.50 0.85 0.50
    Lysine % 1.16 0.90 0.94 0.80 0.70 0.70
    TSAA (Met+Cys) % 0.76 0.77 0.80 0.60 0.55 0.60
    Threonine % 0.84 0.66 0.60 0.50 0.50 0.45
    Tryptophan % 0.21 0.20 0.18 0.19 0.17 0.16
    Valine % 0.77 0.56 0.47 0.58 0.65 0.50

    VITAMINS
    Vitamin A KIU/kg 15 15 15 12 4 12
    Vitamin D KIU/kg 3 3 3 2.5 0.6 2
    Vitamin E IU/kg 20 20 20 15 7** 20
    Vitamin K mg/kg 1.75 1.5 1 0.4 0.4** 0.4
    Biotin mg/kg 0.25 0.2 0.2 0.4 0.25 0.15
    Choline mg/kg 1600 1400 1000 500 500 500
    Folic Acid mg/kg 1 1 1 2 0.6 0.85
    Niacin mg/kg 55 55 55 40 25 40
    Pantothenic Acid mg/kg 11 11 11 10 7 10
    Thiamine (Vit. B-1) mg/kg 2 2 2 2 1.5 2
    Riboflavin (Vit. B-2) mg/kg 4 4 4 3 2.5 3
    Pyridoxine (Vit. B-6) mg/kg 2.5 2.5 3 4 2 4
    Vitamin B-12 mg/kg 0.01 0.01 0.01 0.01 0.01 0.01

    * If you cannot find a starter feed with at least 22% protein, then you can use a 20+% protein starter feed but you must use it for at least four weeks.

    **We suggest you add 40 mg/kg of Zinc Methionine and increase Vitamin K to 50 mg/kg and Vitamin E to 5.0 mg/kg for the last three to four weeks before processing to help prevent bruising – especially if your birds will be transported in coops to the plant.​
     
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