I found out that our Orschelns uses McMurray for special orders, but gets their 'Chick Days' Spring lots from Estes Hatcheries just over in Springfield, MO. It could be that when Orschelns orders from McMurray, we'd get drop-shipped Estes anyway. I looked at their website, and they have a section with basic, but helpful care info at the bottom of the left navigation column. Folks might want this for future reference. I called to see what kind of service I'd get and to ask about vaccinations. A nice fellow answered after 2 1/2 rings and was very helpful. He's sending me brochures (offered, not asked for) with info and prices, breeds, background. The site is new, he said, so there are still typos and stilted sentences. They've been around a LONG time. I asked about whether the chicks we got are vaccinated, and they are not, I'm glad to finally know one way or the other...but the option is there should one choose to order it. I do want to mention that other than the 2 Polish, all of our birds have been vigorous and healthy. I bought ours the day they arrived at Orschelns, save one Polish I got the third day she was there. I definitely got the runts on those, and it was knowingly, since I wanted to 'save' them from the feed store. I'll cut the hatchery some slack on that. Noetheless, one is getting stronger every day. The other had a defect and had to be culled. It may be worth more investigation, but also, someone out there may have more to add regarding experience with this hatchery. Anyone use Estes before?