I found out my bad experience was due to a not so great incubator. And also a mistake on my end. Some people call LG's 'eggs killers' and some swear by them. I personally really like these Farm Innovators. Traded in my LG after two rounds and three different breeders sent eggs and not one live chick from it. Tonight I'm thrilled, Out of 40 BCM eggs 25 to 30 were kept after 2 sep candlings and last night and all day today I started to hear little chirps on and off, tomorrow is day 21 so should start seeing some pipping at any minute. Just so excited!!!