Long story short... I didn't believe in Chicken Math but it works just as you all know... The coop for 8 chickens my husband built last year is now too small for the 13 and a rooster I have, plus the ones I'm planning to add in the Spring. Right now, the old coop is inside a one acre are fenced in with chain link. No neighbor's dogs has ever been able to get in. Now, however, we will be building the new coop outside the fenced in area. The run will be completely covered in 1/4 inch hardware cloth, buried in the ground and with an apron, etc,etc, so my flock will be safe at night. I plan to have the coop and run inside an area fenced in with the electric PoultryNet from Premier1 - http://www.premier1supplies.com/detail.php?prod_id=44094 Has anybody had any experiences with lose dogs and this fence? will it be enough to keep dogs out, so the flock can free-range inside? I bought 320 ft of netting, so it should be enough for a nice free-range area. When talking to Premier1, they said the fence would be enough for keeping out coyotes and dogs, but I'd really like to hear from actual BYC people. thanks!!