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EXTREME EMERGENCY!!! Pooping Pure Liquid Blood!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Discussion in 'Emergencies / Diseases / Injuries and Cures' started by Reurra, Jun 22, 2013.

  1. Reurra

    Reurra Overrun With Chickens

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    Over the last 2 days I have been integrating my March 25th Hatched chicks into the coop. They have had visual contact with the older birds for 2 weeks, then I moved them in the day before yesterday.

    This morning, everyone looks normal, but my little sussex pullet is pooping pure blood. No other substance in the poop, just straight blood. She is eating and drinking. She is not droopy, but her tail is down. She is alert, walking around. I separated her from the other birds, but she is wanting to go back...vigorously. No lethargic behavior. Bright eyes.

    No one has pooped blood before, there has been no signs of illness in any of these birds until now. All the others are running around, pecking, scratching, eating. She is doing the same thing, only when she pooped on her perch there was a large amount of blood, and once again this morning she pooped and it was pure blood again.

    Can cocci do this? No other symptoms?

    Could she have been injured internally during a fluster with the older girls?

    There are no wounds around her vent that I can see.

    I need a list of things that can help this. Its $200 to be seen by a vet here and the nearest is 400 kilometers away. Many drugs easily available in the US are banned here or cannot be found. Anything containing "zole" in the name is prohibited from being sold here. Its unobtainable. I know that sulfamethoxazole could help, but again, banned substance.


    I keep a clean coop! How could this happen?! None of my birds have ever had this before!!
     
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  2. Judy

    Judy Moderator Staff Member

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    It can happen even with very good hygiene in the coop. It's just a matter of their being overwhelmed by the oocysts befor they have developed any immunity to that strain of cocci. And cocci can be introduced a number of ways, including by wild birds. I know of some good and experienced chicken keepers who have had a battle with it this year.

    Actually as I understand it, amprolium (Corid is the usual brand name here) is the drug of choice when droppings are bloody. Cocci can strike very fast. The tail down is also a symptom of cocci. I hope you can get amprolium! In case you don't already know, it is not an antibiotic, it is a thiamine uptake inhibitor, and works by interfering with thiamine uptake in the cocci.

    Yes, I suppose it could be an internal injury, but I don't think I would bet on that.

    More info:

    https://www.backyardchickens.com/t/775739/blood-in-older-chicks-stool/0_20#post_11087272

    https://www.backyardchickens.com/t/758621/coccidiosis-sulmet-or-corrid/0_20

    http://thecozynest.com/understanding_coccidiosis.htm

    https://www.backyardchickens.com/t/778478/sick-chicks-post-2/0_20
     
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  3. realsis

    realsis Crazy for Silkies

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    Hi.cocci is everywhere. It is a protozoa found in soil. It sounds like coccidosis. Which can happen when they in jest a strain that they haven't developed gradual immunity. there are 9strains of cocci.Symptoms of coccidosis are sleepiness lethergy ruffled feathers and depending on the strain pooping blood. Blood does not always have to be present to be infected with cocci but it depends on the strain. The good news is corid or amprollum kills all 9strains of cocci. Other meds only kill some strains so I suggest treating with corid which is amprollum. It takes care of all 9strains. You can find corid at the feed store. I hope this helps. Best of luck.Treat soon.iI'd treat all the birds because cocci can be spread. best wishes
     
  4. Haunted55

    Haunted55 Chillin' With My Peeps

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    I agree with Flockwatcher. Corid is the drug of choice and sometimes they don't have symptoms until something like you are seeing or death. I've been hit with it hard again this year and after a course of Corid, I had to switch to Di-Methox to finally clear it up in most of the birds. Another BYC member, Dawg53 has written that buttermilk will help in an emergency, until the proper meds can be obtained.


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    dawg53 replied to this thread on April 6, 5:41 pm
    Give them buttermilk to slow the cocci effects until you can get some corid.
    This is the place I buy my meds from and here are the drugs.
    http://www.jefferspet.com/corid-oral-solution/camid/LIV/cp/0027132/
    http://www.jefferspet.com/di-methox-soluble/camid/LIV/cp/A2-DA/

    I believe you can get these 2 into Canada with no problems. Is it possible for you to cross into the US? Is there a Tractor Supply store near the border? I know there's one in Bangor, but that's a good jaunt for you to be taking. I would order both of these drugs as they have a long shelf life and are good to have on hand. If you start them on the Corid, if they do not show improvement within 3-4 days, I would switch over to the Di-Methox, because this may be an enteritis you are dealing with at this point and Corid just doesn't do it for that. For right now, I would use the buttermilk and cross your fingers.
     
  5. Chambertin

    Chambertin Chillin' With My Peeps

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    Because people blame Cocci for every little flutter of a wing when birds get sick many dont understand what the disease really is.
    Real cocci can strike just like what you are seeing. In fact it most often does act just like this.
    Healthy birds who have a sudden outbreak and that damages the internal structures that causes them to bleed.

    People believe they had Cocci because after corrid the symptoms go away. Well, corrid is a wide spectrum medicine and most likely it was something else.
    The cocci parasite has a desire to balance itself with the host, but sometimes it gets triggered to go crazy and when that happens you see blood. Normally no warning, or a very hard to see warning then blood, and maybe lots of it.

    Listen to the advice you have seen, get some medicine, any kind that will kill cocci will do and follow the instructions for it.

    Here's a thread I started to help people undersdand cocci:
    https://www.backyardchickens.com/t/708509/coccidiosis-cocci-and-your-chickens

    Good luck to you and your birds.

    EDIT for clarification:
    I just wanted to add, Corid is a broad spectrum parasite killer and works across species.
    Meaning it kills coci across many animal types. It also seems to work killing other parasites.
    Not that it is recommended to kill worms and such, but it explains why it cures many chickens who puff up and people link that lethargic puffy stance to coccidia.

    So please dont think I meant that Corid can work to kill bacterial or viral infections in my earlier post.
     
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  6. Reurra

    Reurra Overrun With Chickens

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    Ok, Im back from work.

    I just checked on the bird and she is moving around still, clucking. She is about 2.5 months old. I cant remember her exact age.

    She had a normal stool in the cage I put her in. No more blood that I can see. Im still not taking chances, although i would suspect all the birds have been exposed since it was their pecking at the blood in the shavings this morning that alerted me to the issue.

    Haunted, i cant get Jefferspet.com to work, no matter how I use your link or the search engine. There may be an IP block on it, Canada is like that, some websites wont work here. I see you are in central Maine. Can people get Corid over the counter there at a feed store? I ask because if I have to, Ill drive to Maine to get it. Its about 6-7 hours to Bangore from here.
     
  7. casportpony

    casportpony Poop Inspector General Premium Member

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    I think you can get Amprol in Canada, it's the same as Corid.

    -Kathy
     
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    casportpony Poop Inspector General Premium Member

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    This is what it looks like:
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    Dose for the liquid is 9.5ml/gallon, make fresh daily. Not sure about the powder, sorry. [​IMG]

    -Kathy
     
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  9. casportpony

    casportpony Poop Inspector General Premium Member

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    I just had a thought... If you saw blood earlier, but not now, it's possible that the blood was cecal.

    -Kathy

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  10. Reurra

    Reurra Overrun With Chickens

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    How would blood come from the ceca? And if so, should I still treat with Corid? Im still trying to find a supplier here in Canada or at least someone who will ship internationally. Being a weekend is not helping at all [​IMG] And hopefully, if I do find someone, it will get here quickly because its a 4 day holiday weekend for us in Canada July 1st.
     
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