Fact or Fiction? "Caine" and Poultry

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  1. casportpony

    casportpony Team Tube Feeding Captain & Poop Inspector General Premium Member

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    First up is "Neosporin with Pain Relief"


    Is the active ingredient, Pramoxine (Pramocaine), really toxic to poultry? Where is the literature to back up this statement?

    -Kathy
     
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  2. sunflour

    sunflour Flock Master Premium Member

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    Tried to meet your challenge and there is no google discoverable literature on it's use in poultry, but there is a paucity of information on anything poultry related unless it applies to commercial needs. Even the Avian Medicine sites don't even mention it.

    But even for humans and mammalian farm animals, it is recommended to be used only on skin and not deep wounds.
     
  3. Lynn Manes

    Lynn Manes Chillin' With My Peeps

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    I just used the regular Neosporin on Diva's wound, which was dime sized and 1/4" deep showing her spine.It actually healed quickly, which really surprised me. I didn't bother to look up anything on it, bc I was in a hurry to get something I had in the house at the time. I do think, however,bc chickens can get so dirty dust bathing,that after putting a big glob of Neosporin into that wound,then covering it with a gauze pad and wrapping a roll of wide gauze around her body all to keep out as much bacteria as possible helped her. I don't think I also mentioned that she was in molt at the time, and I've read molting is a painful process for birds. Maybe I just got lucky with the Neosporin this time, I don't know.I'm just a gal who raises chickens, not an expert on bird medications. But in a pinch, I'd use it again on an open wound if it's all I had available at the time.Once I saw she was healed, I also put a little feather fixer in her feed as her molt he's also ended. Now she's back to her pretty little self with no side effects except that she still hates the rooster:) I was going to show you a pic of her wound, but I guess I deleted it, as I can't seem to find it now.Here's Diva now, and you can see her back is fine and all feathers have grown back in :)[​IMG]
     
  4. DwayneNLiz

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    Hi!!

    It isnt a question on Neosporin but Neosporin WITH pain relief which is a creamy substance rather than the petroleum jelly looking stuff

    I haven't been able to find much on it

    She's a cute little bird, glad she healed up so well
     
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  5. Lynn Manes

    Lynn Manes Chillin' With My Peeps

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    Yes, I realized that, but I just wanted to throw my two cents in on Neosporin in general. But after I read your post, I went in to make doubly sure, and it WAS the one with Pain Relief in it after all. My DH buys this stuff,so I really thought it was the regular one. Now, turns out I'm more in the loop on this subject :) Thanks about Diva. She's the one who could live in your house and eat at your dinner table, bc she's so spoiled. Of which, btw, she does neither here :)
     
  6. DwayneNLiz

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    huh, strange, and good to know that it didnt kill her. So it was the creamy lotion not the petroleum jelly looking stuff?
    I would sure think applying it directly to the spine would give us an answer of whether or not it was going to kill out chickens

    lol, i can only imagine that's how she got her name
     
  7. casportpony

    casportpony Team Tube Feeding Captain & Poop Inspector General Premium Member

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    I think the neosporin with pain relief is a myth, and I recall reading a post where someone had used it on a very serious leg wound. The picture is still in my head, it was a duck leg with a white cream slathered all over it.

    Like sunflour, I cannot find a single proper source that says the "caine" in neosporin is toxic, but will keep looking. What I did find is a well written post by someone here on BYC that says it can be used, so I will try to find that.

    Sadly, the damage is done, 'cause thousands of people think it cannot be used, so the myth will live on forever, lol.

    -Kathy
     
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  8. Lynn Manes

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    Heres the tube. Says + Pain Relief as you can see, but it looks like petroleum jelly, not white or creamy. So,they must have another out there that says the same thing like you are describing. So, all I can say, is PLEASE don't go out and put the white creamy stuff on an open wound since it is not what I used. I don't want anyone's chickens dying as a result of what I said I used.
     
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  9. DwayneNLiz

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    I agree that the pain relief kind has no facts backing up that it is lethal, i have found NOTHING
    but good to know for sure

    I would use it, if thats what i had on hand, no questions
     
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  10. casportpony

    casportpony Team Tube Feeding Captain & Poop Inspector General Premium Member

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    Above posts from this thread:
    https://www.backyardchickens.com/t/...ucts-suburan-rural-myth-or-fact#post_17484768

    -Kathy
     

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