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  1. chickened

    chickened Overrun With Chickens

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    An e-mail from a friend:

    What has happened to us? I wonder what it would be like living in the time of the formation of these preambles.




    > > Do you know your State's Preamble?
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    > > Be sure to read the message in red at the very bottom!
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    > > Alabama 1901, Preamble
    > > We the people of the State of Alabama , invoking the favor and guidance of Almighty God, do ordain and establish the following Constitution..
    > > Alaska 1956, Preamble
    > > We, the people of Alaska , grateful to God and to those who founded our nation and pioneered this great land.
    > > Arizona 1911, Preamble
    > > We, the people of the State of Arizona , grateful to Almighty God for our liberties, do ordain this Constitution...
    > > Arkansas 1874, Preamble
    > > We, the people of the State of Arkansas, grateful to Almighty God for the privilege of choosing our own form of government...
    > > California 1879, Preamble
    > > We, the People of the State of California , grateful to Almighty God for our freedom...
    > > Colorado 1876, Preamble
    > > We, the people of Colorado , with profound reverence for the Supreme Ruler of Universe...
    > > Connecticut 1818, Preamble.
    > > The People of Connecticut, acknowledging with gratitude the good Providence of God in permitting them to enjoy.
    > > Delaware 1897, Preamble
    > > Through Divine Goodness all men have, by nature, the rights of worshipping and serving their Creator according to the dictates of their consciences.
    > > Florida 1885, Preamble
    > > We, the people of the State of Florida , grateful to Almighty God for our constitutional liberty, establish this Constitution...
    > > Georgia 1777, Preamble
    > > We, the people of Georgia , relying upon protection and guidance of Almighty God, do ordain and establish this Constitution...
    > > Hawaii 1959, Preamble
    > > We, the people of Hawaii , Grateful for Divine Guidance ... Establish this Constitution.
    > > Idaho 1889, Preamble
    > > We, the people of the State of Idaho , grateful to Almighty God for our freedom, to secure its blessings.
    > > Illinois 1870, Preamble
    > > We, the people of the State of Illinois, grateful to Almighty God for the civil , political and religious liberty which He hath so long permitted us to enjoy and looking to Him for a blessing on our endeavors.
    > > Indiana 1851, Preamble
    > > We, the People of the State of Indiana , grateful to Almighty God for the free exercise of the right to choose our form of government.
    > > Iowa 1857, Preamble
    > > We, the People of the State of Iowa , grateful to the Supreme Being for the blessings hitherto enjoyed, and feeling our dependence on Him for a continuation of these blessings, establish this Constitution.
    > > Kansas 1859, Preamble
    > > We, the people of Kansas , grateful to Almighty God for our civil and religious privileges establish this Constitution.
    > > Kentucky 1891, Preamble
    > > We, the people of the Commonwealth are grateful to Almighty God for the civil, political and religious liberties..
    > > Louisiana 1921, Preamble
    > > We, the people of the State of Louisiana , grateful to Almighty God for the civil, political and religious liberties we enjoy.
    > > Maine 1820, Preamble
    > > We the People of Maine acknowledging with grateful hearts the goodness of the Sovereign Ruler of the Universe in affording us an opportunity ... And imploring His aid and direction.
    > > Maryland 1776, Preamble
    > > We, the people of the state of Maryland , grateful to Almighty God for our civil and religious liberty...
    > > Massachusetts 1780, Preamble
    > > We...the people of Massachusetts, acknowledging with grateful hearts, the goodness of the Great Legislator of the Universe In the course of His Providence, an opportunity and devoutly imploring His direction
    > > Michigan 1908, Preamble
    > > We, the people of the State of Michigan , grateful to Almighty God for the blessings of freedom, establish this Constitution.
    > > Minnesota, 1857, Preamble
    > > We, the people of the State of Minnesota , grateful to God for our civil and religious liberty, and desiring to perpetuate its blessings:
    > > Mississippi 1890, Preamble
    > > We, the people of Mississippi in convention assembled, grateful to Almighty God, and invoking His blessing on our work.
    > > Missouri 1845, Preamble
    > > We, the people of Missouri , with profound reverence for the Supreme Ruler of the Universe, and grateful for His goodness - Establish this Constitution...
    > > Montana 1889, Preamble. We, the people of Montana , grateful to Almighty God for the blessings of liberty establish this Constitution..
    > > Nebraska 1875, Preamble
    > > We, the people, grateful to Almighty God for our freedom. Establish this Constitution.
    > > Nevada 1864, Preamble
    > > We the people of the State of Nevada , grateful to Almighty God for our freedom, establish this Constitution...
    > > New Hampshire 1792, Part I.. Art. I. Sec. V
    > > Every individual has a natural and unalienable right to worship God according to the dictates of his own conscience.
    > > New Jersey 1844, Preamble
    > > We, the people of the State of New Jersey, grateful to Almighty God for civil and religious liberty which He hath so long permitted us to enjoy, and looking to Him for a blessing on our endeavors.
    > > New Mexico 1911, Preamble
    > > We, the People of New Mexico, grateful to Almighty God for the blessings of liberty..
    > > New York 1846, Preamble
    > > We, the people of the State of New York , grateful to Almighty God for our freedom, in order to secure its blessings.
    > > North Carolina 1868, Preamble
    > > We the people of the State of North Carolina, grateful to Almighty God, the Sovereign Ruler of Nations, for our civil, political, and religious liberties, and acknowledging our dependence upon Him for the continuance of those...
    > > North Dakota 1889, Preamble
    > > We, the people of North Dakota , grateful to Almighty God for the blessings of civil and religious liberty, do ordain...
    > > Ohio 1852, Preamble
    > > We the people of the state of Ohio , grateful to Almighty God for our freedom, to secure its blessings and to promote our common.
    > > Oklahoma 1907, Preamble
    > > Invoking the guidance of Almighty God, in order to secure and perpetuate the blessings of liberty, establish this
    > > Oregon 1857, Bill of Rights, Article I Section 2.
    > > All men shall be secure in the Natural right, to worship Almighty God according to the dictates of their consciences
    > > Pennsylvania 1776, Preamble
    > > We, the people of Pennsylvania , grateful to Almighty God for the blessings of civil and religious liberty, and humbly invoking His guidance...
    > > Rhode Island 1842, Preamble.
    > > We the People of the State of Rhode Island grateful to Almighty God for the civil and religious liberty which He hath so long permitted us to enjoy, and looking to Him for a blessing....
    > > South Carolina , 1778, Preamble
    > > We, the people of the State of South Carolina grateful to God for our liberties, do ordain and establish this Constitution.
    > > South Dakota 1889, Preamble
    > > We, the people of South Dakota , grateful to Almighty God for our civil and religious liberties.
    > > Tennessee 1796, Art. XI.III.
    > > That all men have a natural and indefeasible right to worship Almighty God according to the dictates of their conscience...
    > > Texas 1845, Preamble
    > > We the People of the Republic of Texas , acknowledging, with gratitude, the grace and beneficence of God.
    > > Utah 1896, Preamble
    > > Grateful to Almighty God for life and liberty, we establish this Constitution.
    > > Vermont 1777, Preamble
    > > Whereas all government ought to enable the individuals who compose it to enjoy their natural rights, and other blessings which the Author of Existence has bestowed on man.
    > > Virginia 1776, Bill of Rights, XVI
    > > Religion, or the Duty which we owe our Creator can be directed only by Reason and that it is the mutual duty of all to practice Christian Forbearance, Love and Charity towards each other
    > > Washington 1889, Preamble
    > > We the People of the State of Washington , grateful to the Supreme Ruler of the Universe for our liberties, do ordain this Constitution
    > > West Virginia 1872, Preamble
    > > Since through Divine Providence we enjoy the blessings of civil, political and religious liberty, we, the people of West Virginia reaffirm our faith in and constant reliance upon God ....
    > > Wisconsin 1848, Preamble
    > > We, the people of Wisconsin , grateful to Almighty God for our freedom, domestic tranquility....
    > > Wyoming 1890, Preamble
    > > We, the people of the State of Wyoming , grateful to God for our civil, political, and religious liberties, establish this Constitution...
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    > > After reviewing acknowledgments of God from all 50 state constitutions, one is faced with the prospect that maybe, the ACLU and the out-of-control federal courts are wrong! If you found this to be 'Food for thought' send to as many as you think will be enlightened as I hope you were.
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    > > (Please note that at no time is anyone told that they MUST worship God.)
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    > > Let us bring God back into America !
     
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  2. Capvin

    Capvin Chillin' With My Peeps

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    It will take all my will power to not say what I am thinking but I will say that I have no objection to the mention of God and including God in all aspects of our life as long as it is the God of all people and not limited to a diety that is not the God of all people. There is only One God and that God does not believe in racism, bigotry, killing of any kind, the denial of equal rights to all peoples, including those people who dfo not believe in God, and does NOT want a religious test for people who run for office.

    And for the kicker, you should know that your State of Oregon does not mention God in its preamble.
     
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  3. sourland

    sourland Broody Magician Premium Member

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    Ed, whose God do we choose? Or do we allow others to respect THEIR God?
     
  4. mossypath

    mossypath Chillin' With My Peeps

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    Capvin [​IMG]

    It’s too often that is not the case.
     
  5. AquaEyes

    AquaEyes Chillin' With My Peeps

    The context of the preambles at the time was to refer to the then controversial idea that rights and freedoms do not pass through the third party of leaders, but come directly to the people. Previously, political power was believed to be granted to leaders from a god, and then those leaders were granted the right to decide the freedoms of the people. Our forefathers had the then radical idea that rights and freedoms were granted to the people directly from above, not indirectly through the whims of their leaders.

    Additionally, being as much evidence suggests that many of our forefathers were deists, their concept of a god differs from that of the fundamentalist christian perspective, and in none of these preambles do I see mentioning of Jesus. This non-specified non-interfering deity concept held by many people (including many of our forefathers) of that time would be comparable to many of the non-specified non-interfering non-religious concepts held by an (at least) equal number of people today, except that our forefathers called this source of freedom a god while many people today see it as humanity.

    Finally, we must examine the in-fighting that the denominations placed upon other denominations at the time. Our forefathers had experience with incidents involving people of a minority-denomination being subject to persecution by the majority-denomination, and had the foresight to acknowledge that the only way to allow freedom of religious expression is to remove any denominational favoritism in its government. At the time, this was accomplished by merely referencing "god" or "almighty" in lieu of any named deity, as any atheist or agnostic individuals were likely to be of the more educated and wealthy classes, anyway, and not as subject to persecution.

    Whenever a community developed with only one denominational view, there was no other group with which to be in conflict, and often aspects of religion could bleed into government unnoticed. But to establish a means of resolving potential conflicts, the governments adopted a "hands-off" policy and would not support one over another. When the number of non-religious individuals in this country grew larger, conflicts arose not between denominations of one religion but between religion and non-religion. As such, the same system of "hands-off" was applied, and the realization appeared that condoning ANY "god" was already violating the "hands-off" policy with regard to individuals whose beliefs (held to be equally valid to religious beliefs) did not include a god.
     
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    Capvin Chillin' With My Peeps

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    It is a fine art to be able to say a complete thought and convey the idea in one line and you are the master of that art. I will wager that everything else that has already been said here and will be said is contained in those two short questions (that are really statements). You may tip your wizard's hat.
     
  7. RHRanch

    RHRanch Chillin' With My Peeps

    So some old long dead white guys (who probably also believed that women shouldn't vote and that minorities were below them) put god in state preambles and that somehow settles or legitimizes.... what? God's role in government? What exactly is the point of mentioning this?
     
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  8. dfr1973

    dfr1973 Chillin' With My Peeps Premium Member

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    Quote: Whoever wrote that must not have completely understood the difference between state-level and federal-level. Given this, I will assume a lack of familiarity with the religious-based violence in European history that our Founders were certainly aware of when they designed the federal-level constitution.
     
  9. Imp

    Imp All things share the same breath- Chief Seattle

    Quote: They were referring to Darth Vader.

    Imp
     
  10. chickened

    chickened Overrun With Chickens

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    I take this as a snapshot in time of an era that held to the idea that our rights, ability and pretty much all that was good in the country at the time was not of man's doing but of God. They had a little more sense than the "enlightened ones" in as much as they recognized they were not thier own god at the least.

    As for why I mentioned this let me ask why do you ask? If this is not your bag move on and let those that like this enjoy it.
     
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