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German Shepherd female in heat!!! help! need stud

Discussion in 'Other Pets & Livestock' started by chicks are me, Jan 7, 2014.

  1. chicks are me

    chicks are me Chillin' With My Peeps

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    Hello!
    we have a two year old GSD and she is finally in heat again and we have decided to let her have pups! :D
    Unfortunately, we can't find any stud males for her!
    we are looking for someone in the Kanawha or Putnum areas of West Virginia
    we don't mind if you're a breeder or not, we just need a healthy male pure bred male German Shepherd.
    also if you know a breeder close to these areas please reply!
    We ARE willing to pay a stud fee as well
     
  2. Peaches Lee

    Peaches Lee Chillin' With My Peeps

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    I could be wrong, but you probably won't get much advice for stud dogs available on here. Probably more along the lines of to NOT breed your dog. Just a forewarning.
     
  3. chicks are me

    chicks are me Chillin' With My Peeps

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    i agree but I'm not sure what to do
    I've searched and searched for breeders
    also our GSD is super hyper and I've heard thats one of the few ways to calm them down
    plus i don't see a problem with breeding her, GSD are super protective and territorial.
    For us, the only way to get more GSD are to let her have pups and the area we live in is safe but we still would like more just for security
     
  4. punk-a-doodle

    punk-a-doodle Chillin' With My Peeps

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    Training and proper mental and physical stimulation will calm most dogs down. Breeding is unlikely to...I've never heard that breeding calms dogs down myself...and will also pass along any genetic hyperness. My ACD came from a shelter and had just had pups before we adopted her. The breed is pure energy in dog form, and she is no exception. Years of training, stimulation, and patience are what made her an obedient and much calmer dog for when we lived in the city. I would be happy to breed her if I had a bigger farm and needed a steady supply of working ACDs as I couldn't be happier with her as a working dog (theoretically as she is fixed) in the rural area we live in now. I would never breed her to try to calm her energy levels. That'd just be throwing fire in the form of squirming piles of hyper puppies onto fire. Sounds like a trainer would be a better option in your case especially if you are wanting an obedient dog who offers protection for you/the property.

    I get the second part of your post though, about wanting to have dogs around to keep watch. That's the norm in the area I live in. No one locks their doors, we all just have big dogs. X) That said, when my neighbors breed their dogs for watch dogs, whether they are mutts or pure, they choose dogs that have the traits they want. I'd just say examine the reasons you want to breed, and then do your research to meet those goals. Throwing your undesirably hyper shepherd together with any other shepherd you can find sounds like bad news to me!
     
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  5. Godsgrl

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    For every pup you let your shepherd produce, one dog is put to sleep in a shelter. If you want another dog, try a shelter or rescue. They have plenty of shepherds available for adoption. Why add to pet overpopulation? You mention your dog is really hyper. What if she won't settle down and nurse the pups? Do you have the time and resources to hand feed 10 or 12 puppies for 6 weeks around the clock?
     
  6. Souperchicken

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    It can calm a dog down when it gets pregnant, but it seems to only be temporary because of the extra weight of carrying the pups, and hormone changes. If she is a naturally hyper dog, she will continue to be one after the pups are a few days to a few weeks old, at least in my experience.
    There are energetic dogs and then there are ENERGETIC dogs. As a previous poster mentioned, it may have a lot to do with stimulation and if they are getting enough of it.
    High energy can be good if channelled, but can be a disaster if not handled in a productive way.
    We have GSD pups due the beginning of Feb.
     
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  7. Redyre Rotties

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    Breeding does not change temperament.

    Breeding carries with it ALWAYS the risk of death. Death of some of the puppies, all of the puppies, and/or the b.itch.

    Anyone breeding dogs should be familiar with the issues that are regularly screened for in the breed, and all breeding partners should be screened or cleared before breeding. These are the very basics associated with responsible breeding. There is no excuse for breeding dogs who are not healthy and proven normal for issues that are common in a certain breed. So homework should be done, and issues should be screened for in both breeding partners.

    RUSHING to find some male dog that can donate semen and make puppies can be a recipe for disaster down the road. NO ONE wants to produce a litter of puppies that are unhealthy, and I'm sure that YOU don't either, so SLOW DOWN.

    Do some research. Do the health screenings. Meanwhile, find an appropriate dog whose owner has done the same. Insist on a written agreement between yourself and the owner of the male. If you agree to do the breeding for a puppy in return, agree on what pick the owner of the sire has, how many puppies constitute an actual litter (most commonly 2), what conditions apply if there is only one puppy (who gets it, terms of a return service), what age the puppy will be picked up, etc. It is MUCH EASIER to pay the owner of the sire a fee.

    In dogs the fee in general is no guarantee of puppies or a litter, so get these details worked out in advance so each person understands the expectations of the other.

    Then when your b.itch is in season next in 6 mos or so you will be well prepared to undertake your breeding at the appropriate time.

    Good luck.
     
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  8. GD91

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    The above is correct.

    Do not just jump into breeding your GSD.
    My poor Rotty has hipdysplacia caused by careless breeding. This costs money to treat & she is always uncomfortable when sitting.

    Why? Because the breeder, whom I know, just bought a random Rotty ***** & paid a stud fee for a random pedigree Rotty to mate her. This resulted in poor quality pups with lots of medical problems & she made very little, if any, money. The dog had 11 pups & towards the end she was giving them away so that's how I ended up with my rottweiler on top of a free staffy pup I'd got 2 years before off the same woman because "the staffys didn't work out". So she tried Rottys instead & had even more issues. My staffy is really healthy, but staffies have a very wide gene pool in the breed.

    You are talking about breeding a pedigree..... that involves research, if you don't research any pups will just cost you in the long run & you will be spoiling the breeds name. GSD's are big dogs & can be prone to certain issues. They also need a firm handler who can spend quality time with them as they are extremely intelligent. Combined with their aggression, that is what makes them such good police dogs, so you wouldn't want to just sell the pups to anybody. They would be best sold to experienced dog owners. Also there is a moderate risk of complications. In the uk a C-section costs £2000 or in US dollar about $1700. I know a woman who bred Akita's had to have a C-section done because the pups head was too big. She lost the ***** to a blood poisoning infection & had to handrear 9 pups. She still had to pay the £2000 + £600 stud fee because the dog took two goes to impregnate the *****.

    Also puppies are expensive to raise properly. So expensive, Everyone who bred their dogs thinking it was a good idea ended up then selling the pups off at the age of just 5 weeks when they realized the true cost in buying tripe etc. They also stink your home out. They must be wormed at the vets at so many weeks (which half of them puke back up anyway) & then again later.
    And if you think mum will care for them, forget it. Once they are being weaned she begins to get fed up & snap at them & seek more time to herself.

    There are so many dogs out there looking for new homes. Have you ever been to a rescue kennels & seen the dogs? I have. Its a very sad sight of dozens of dogs milling around or hiding, crying & barking.

    I've also had to put up with too many close people think "Oh, I know, I'll breed my ***** & sell the pups & maybe keep one or two...." ignoring my advice not to. Because that's what people do, they think it will all work out.
    It never ends well once the feed & veterinary costs begin adding up with little return (the dogs are not registered, so the pups have poor value) especially with big dogs.
    The age pups should be sold is 12 weeks. Not 5. But that's the age I know many people to sell them at, barely fully weaned, just because they couldn't afford them & weren't fully prepared.

    Breeding her will not make any changes to her temperament at all, that is a silly myth made up by silly people.

    Listen to the advice above from the lady / chap who breeds the rottys.

    If you do have a good quality ***** with a clear medical history dating back generations (and papers), then you may get value from any pups. Otherwise your just setting yourself up to lose out on money & a bunch of rescue dogs will lose out on homes.

    If you'd seen the things I have, then you would understand why I feel so strongly about this & others here to.

    Why you would want 6-12 GSD's running about, I don't know anyway. It wouldn't be added protection, It would just be dangerous, full stop. So many dogs would be very difficult to train. And what about the costs of spaying to prevent inbreeding etc?

    You've only stated you just want to breed her to:

    A) calm her down (Won't happen)

    B) get more guard dogs.

    Any other plans for a potentially large litter of pups?
     
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  9. chicks are me

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    thanks guys i really didn't want to rush it but i started researching it as soon as she started
    I think we will wait
    but we can't adopt (we would love to but she is extremely territorial and we are afraid she will hurt them. I have been to been a kennel and it breaks my heart but still
    we can't get a dog she'll hurt)
    and if we do breed her we won't keep all the pups
    and I'm not trying to brag but yes we money to support them
    we do have all the papers, medical records and such and would only have Lexi with a male who had papers.
    KNOW that we would never try to hurt our dog or her hypothetical pups! (if thats what you would call them...)
    just to make it clear:
    my dog is hyper but she's gotten calmer as she's gotten older... (sorry if i made it sound if she's as hyper as she was since we got her)
    trying to train her but she will only sit on command for me

    thanks that really does help! hurting my dog is something I would never do.

    extra note:
    Lex is from a great breeder in California and was in training to be a police dog. and I'm not sure if this is true but my sister told me the more dogs are payed attention to as a pup the more calm they are when they get older?? not sure if thats true but i don't know how much attention she would have gotten
     
  10. GD91

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    If she's got good breed lines then her pups will be worth breeding for if you mate her with a good quality stud dog.

    Its ok [​IMG]nobody thought you would deliberately hurt her, its just certain people just jump into dog breeding without much thought to the dogs welfare.. Like the people I wrote about above [​IMG] used to blame their dogs pups & ill-treat them, as though it was the pups fault they had been born & weren't worth much.
     

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