got my new archangels, and now some new babies. :)

Discussion in 'Pigeons and Doves' started by chinbunny, Dec 31, 2009.

  1. chinbunny

    chinbunny In a hutch

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    These are my new birds. Cock bird is the bronze breasted blue. Hen is the bronze breasted black copper head. Needless to say I am very satisfied with the seller i bought them from. They are show quality.

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    This guy became a daddy this morning. Paired with my bronze black winged hen. Finally babies that were able to hatch on their own. Only saw one. He looked healthy. Guess the problem was fixed by buying unrelated birds, switching to flock raiser, and adding acid pak to the water. Its the middle of winter here. Hopefully there will be no problems, and they will be able to raise them.

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  2. Princess Amri

    Princess Amri Is Mostly Harmless

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    They're gorgeous! Where did you get them?
     
  3. Buff Hooligans

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    They are stunning! I always loved pigeons.
     
  4. chinbunny

    chinbunny In a hutch

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    Quote:From a buyer on eggbid thats in north carolina. He is selling out of them. don't know if he has any more. Hes become my e-mentor. He's very helpful and knowledgeable on genetics. And did show them at one time. Been giving me excellent advice on raising hous epigeons too.

    I got the toy stencil bird from another buyer on eggbid. I think he came from somewhere out west.
     
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  5. chinbunny

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    Quote:Thanks [​IMG]

    here is a picture of my bronze angels once again. The hen out of the pair is mated to the toy stencil for blue icing cock.

    Hen is on the left. If these babies make it throught he winter, I shoul dget something good to show out of them. With her head, and his size and type.

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  6. Mary Of Exeter

    Mary Of Exeter Chillin' With My Peeps

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    Did you get these form the guy in Kinston? Pretty birds [​IMG] I've never seen andalusian (or indigo of any form) on archangels before. Pretty neat [​IMG]

    Are you sure they are show quality though (the birds in the first post)? I'm pretty sure the copper is supposed to cover the entire head, neck, chest, and underbody. The wings, back, and tail are supposed to be black, blue, white, etc.
     
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  7. chinbunny

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    Quote:The birds in the first picture are the same birds as in the rest of them. Cept for the pencil. Im pretty sure he said they were show quality. I asked about that earlier and he said there was bronze breasted, and there the ones with the wing markings. Like copper, bronze, blue, blackwing, etc. Ill email your question to him about it see what he says.
     
  8. chinbunny

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    Here is what he had to say. Excuse the caps.

    THE COPPER ON THE CHEST SHOULD NOT GO OVER THE SHOULDERS AT ALL IT SHOULD GO UP TO THE START OF THE WINGS,BUT NOT OVER THE TOP.

    Also they came from sc not north. [​IMG]
     
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  9. Mary Of Exeter

    Mary Of Exeter Chillin' With My Peeps

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    Ah. I thought you said NC at first, oops [​IMG]

    Hmmm. Maybe the standard has changed, but the way I take it, the entire head/neck should be light or dark bronze. The entire wings, back, and tail being blue, black, or whatever. The most common ones I've seen are the blackwing bronze, blue-barless (bluewing) bronze, and whitewing bronze. The part of your two new ones I'm questioning is that black patch on the back of your hen's neck. The cockbird also looks to have some andalusian leaking through. I don't think the gimple color has been figured out completely in its genetics, but I'm sure the babies will look great.

    Here's the standard I found. It was hard to find anything on archangels
    http://www.slobberknockerlofts.com/standards/archangels/

    The birds in post 5 are beautiful by the way [​IMG] Well, they all are, haha. I love archangels!

    I think it would be neat to get some Suabians (aka pheasant and starling pigeons) with white bars, or 'silver-laced', and have that on an archangel. They look very similar with the peak crest and all. They are supposed to have shell crests, but most of them I've seen around have a peak crest instead.
     
  10. chinbunny

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    Quote:I know. Good info on archangels is hard to find. I think the colors oyu see leaking through on the cock may be from the camera. he says these are are colors. So that may be why you don't see them too often at shows? He also said he had a bunch of golden colors and reds too. I wish I had the room and money. I would have bought all of them. His brids are beautiful. he had some bronze breasted white wings and blacks too. so many colors to chose from!

    I found this website a few weeks ago. Doesn't give any info on the copper head colored birds. But the club seems to be open for exipirementation in colors and varieties. I wish they would show pictures of some of them like they do in the rabbit poultry standards. It would make it a lot easier.

    http://www.angelfire.com/bc/Bouvreuil/StandardArchangelAACc.html

    Yeah I had a poultry judge interested inthe birds in post five at the fair show last year. She said they had fair body type, but great color. I think she wanted to get them for cheap. I told her hubby $30 firm for the pair. They didn't come back to get them. i am glad they didn't. The hen has won her class two years in a row. And the cock won the class for the first time last year. They both cleaned house. Even though it wasn't a true pigeon sanctioned show. Still they beat the other archangels there. The judge isn't licensed. He's a knowledgeable exibitor. He thought they were beautiful too. Not too worried about attending the big shows with any of them. They are too far away from me. Maybe some day.

    anyhow, show quality or no, it doesn't matter. I am still very satisfied with the birds and the seller. He seems to know his stuff on their genetics. Unlike that dealer with the house pigeons. I noticed the guy has the house pigeon cock bird up for sale again after he's sold him twice as a show quality bird.

    I did say NC in my comment. my fault. lol.
     

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