Had My First Prolapse Today. How Could I Have Done Better?

Discussion in 'Emergencies / Diseases / Injuries and Cures' started by Chicken Boo, Apr 4, 2009.

  1. Chicken Boo

    Chicken Boo Chillin' With My Peeps

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    Luckily, I had been reading about other prolapses that had been posted on this sight and I think I caught it early. I think she is going to be OK.

    We had visitors out in the yard and Bobbi (~6 YO australorp) was standing funny. She looked like she was trying to lay an egg standing up in the middle of the yard. I looked behind her and she was prolapsed, not a lot but enough.

    We did the following:

    1) Caught her gently and held her quiet. I put a towel over her head until she relaxed.

    2) I used vegetable oil for lubrication and tried to gently push everything back in while feeling around for any eggs that might be stuck. I thought I felt an egg and tried to get to it but there was tissue between my finger and the solid object.

    3) Our visitor is a 2nd year vet student and had a class in prolapses last year. She said to use something else for lubricant and we tried Vaseline. I still could feel the object but could not make contact. The prolapse was still evident.

    4) We put her in our chick play pen for a little while to let her get over the trauma of #3. She ate and drank and seemed to be better. She still occasionally stood like she was trying to lay and egg.

    5) I sent DH for KY, antibiotics and yogurt.

    6) I filled the sink with warm water and held Bobbie in it until it got cool. Took her out, filled the sink again and put her back. She would not quite sit down in the water so I used a wash cloth to keep warm water on her vent. I also cleaned up the poop that had collected under her vent. Halfway through the second soak, the prolapse was back inside. She appeared to be a bit inflamed and the skin seemed a bit stretched. I was amazed at how well she took the bath. I had not really handled her since she was given to me a year and a half ago. She is acting like I do it every day!

    6) I put her into the cat carrier with a towel over it to lower the light. I crushed 2 Tums and put it in ~2 cups of water. When DH got back, I lubed her vent inside and out with KY. I could not locate the solid-feeling mass any more. I massaged her under her back side and on her back. My DH was rubbing her chest. She seemed to be enjoying the attention. I put her back into the carrier and gave her some yogurt with layer feed and bird seed in it and let her rest. She ate most of the feed.

    7) We checked her after an hour and a half. The prolapse still seemed to be back in but she was a bit swollen, possibly from the above trauma. She is calm and not lethargic. We put her in a larger box where she can stand up and move a bit with a cover over it so it will stay dark until morning. She has what is left of her Tums water and feed. I plan to leave her alone until tomorrow morning.

    8) I plan to start the antibiotics in the AM. They only had them in concentrations that will require a fraction of an ounce/gallon.

    How did I do? How could I improve on this? I was incredibly lucky to catch it early. I think it just happened.

    Thank for any input.
     
  2. JennsPeeps

    JennsPeeps Rhymes with 'henn'

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    You did a great job! Well done.

    If the prolapse re-occurs you can use Preparation H to help shrink the tissue. In that case you'll want to separate the hen and put her in a warm, dark place. The reason for dark is to interrupt the laying cycle and give her a break from laying.
     
  3. Chicken Boo

    Chicken Boo Chillin' With My Peeps

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    UPDATE:

    Bobbi seems to be fine this morning. I have her in low light so she will stay quiet. She is eating and pooping as she should. Her vent was pink instead of red this morning. It is still a little swollen, but I think that will continue to go down. I gave her some yogurt with some bread and she seems quite content with that. I am hoping she will lay an egg with no problem today. Then I can return her to the coop this evening.

    Since there was no real bleeding yesterday (only one little pin head-sized drop), I am disinclined to give her antibiotics. Any thoughts?
     
  4. CityClucks

    CityClucks The Center of a 50 Mile Radius

    Jan 31, 2009
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    Wow Chicken Boo - sounds like you were ready for this emergency and handled it like a pro! I hope Bobbi makes a full and complete recovery and that this doesn't happen again. I don't know about the antibiotics.
     
  5. ScoobyRoo

    ScoobyRoo Chillin' With My Peeps

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    Chicken Boo, I wish I would have caught this thread Friday afternoon. We lost a dear EE (11 mo. old) that night. [​IMG] She was laying down in the yard doing nothing. We checked her vent and it was swollen but not red. She had white watery poop (no worms). We were sure she was not egg bound because all the EE eggs were counted for, for that day. Her eyes were fine so was her crop. Just her vent looked abnormal. Prolapse did not cross my mind. I need to research that a bit more. I'm still confused on the difference between prolapse, eggbound and internal laying. My disadvantage was that I worked that day so I wasn't home to check on my feathered friend periodically. I'm putting your exprience(information) in my book.
    Good luck with Bobbi and I hope she fully recovers.
     
  6. luvmychicknkids

    luvmychicknkids Canning Squirrel

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    [​IMG] Are you sure you weren't a chicken doctor in a past life or something! That was just AWESOME!!!! You can't even imagine how impressed I am. I am saving this. If it ever happens you have the perfect step by step guide right there! Thank you and I hope your girl makes a full recovery!!!
     
  7. JennsPeeps

    JennsPeeps Rhymes with 'henn'

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    Aw man! I posted & lost my post. [​IMG]

    Prolapse - essentially a herniated vent. the vent is pulled out of the body. Severity & fatality vary.

    Eggbound - the hen's body has created a single egg but for some reason the hen cannot expel it: size, abnormal formation, soft shell on the egg, etc. Fatal if egg not removed.

    Internal laying - the hen's reproductive organs are creating eggs but they are not forming properly and being expelled. This creates a tumor-like mass in the body cavity consisting of the egg material. Some hens become life-long internal layers and will occassionally expel a gross "thing". Other hens die of the mass.
     
  8. Chicken Boo

    Chicken Boo Chillin' With My Peeps

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    Thanks for the kind words. I could only do what I did because I have been reading the posts on BYC. Even if I did not have everything I needed to know memorized, I was familiar enough to not do anything too stupid. My thanks to everyone who has shared their experiences with the rest of us.



    HenrysChickens:

    I am so sorry about your girl, especially so young. All you can do is be ready for next time.

    Hugs.



    JennsPeeps:

    Thanks for the clarification.
     
  9. ScoobyRoo

    ScoobyRoo Chillin' With My Peeps

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    Jennspeep, thanks for the information.

    I don't think My EE (Myrtle) had prolapse. The vent was, as I saw 'puckered' but pale not red. All the other ladies are doing fine but still keeping a close eye on them to make sure this wasn't a contagious thing. Still not for sure wht happened.


    Thanks chicken boo. My DD kept a few feathers from her then she and dad buried her.
     
  10. Chicken Boo

    Chicken Boo Chillin' With My Peeps

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    UPDATE & QUESTION:

    I have been keeping Bobbi in a box in the bedroom under low light to keep her quiet. She is eating and pooping and being a calm chicken. She seems just fine and ready to rejoin the flock.

    However, I would feel better if she laid an egg while I had her where I could check her afterwards. The low light is keeping her quiet but it is probably interrupting her egg production. I was hoping she had one on the way that would continue to make its way out.

    Should I chance it and let her back outside without knowing she can pass an egg? OR should I keep her inside until she lays. When I let more light into her box, she gets restless and wants out.

    Thank you.
     

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