Happy ending- Leghorn- 6 weeks, dizzy, head tilted, botulism?

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  1. Atomic Ranch

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    I'm at my wit's end here, and will likely have to conduct my first cull if I can't find something, ANYthing to relieve his symptoms. I've tried researching as much as I can, and am left to simply ask if anyone can think of anything I haven't. Perhaps it was cocci that he's had all along and I didn't catch it in time/treat long enough.

    White Leghorn, 5 weeks.

    Very sudden immobility, unresponsive, unable to stand or eat (on his own, initially). Flailing about occasionally, and the last 2 days gaping / gasping, fluffed and shaking.

    First symptom about 3 weeks ago, cocci, treated and assumed cured.

    None of the other birds. 13.

    No obvious sign of trauma, but I'm new, so uncertain.

    Could have been injured, could have had cocci all along and it was never cured. Could have gapeworms but hasn't responded to Ivermectin.

    He munched some corn, as did the others, the night before. All are on phase 2 chick food. Occasional yogurt, boiled egg, vegetable. He started eating again briefly on his own, then stopped. Will accept stuff through a dropper.

    Poo was with blood, but is no longer. Seems normal now.

    I've administered Sulmet, which stopped the bloody stool. Wazine and Ivermectin in case it's worms. Vitamins, too.

    I'll try everything myself, then cull because I think he's in pain.

    The chicks have all been in a huge bathtub box. Pine bedding changed completely every 4 days, topped every day.
     
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  3. Atomic Ranch

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    Quote:Thanks for your reply. [​IMG] I read a little about it. He didn't start gasping until 2 days ago, about 5 days into this most recent, serious bout. He does make a bit of a sound, though. He eats a LOT, provided he can get to the food, or I give it to him. It's going out the other end, for sure. The others are vivacious and don't exhibit any of the symptoms, so I kind of ruled out the shavings, but perhaps he was particularly susceptible? I've always had good ventilation (it's warm here at this time of year so I leave all the windows open).

    They say there is no cure. Should I break out the nitrogen? Or give him another day. He has started eating on his own again.

    I edited above, about his eating. The first two days, he wouldn't eat at all. Couldn't even hold his head in a position to allow it. Over the last two days, however, he has eaten a good deal on his own, provided I put the dish under him.
     
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    Quote:Thanks for your reply. [​IMG] I read a little about it. He didn't start gasping until 2 days ago, about 5 days into this most recent, serious bout. He does make a bit of a sound, though. He eats a LOT, provided he can get to the food, or I give it to him. It's going out the other end, for sure. The others are vivacious and don't exhibit any of the symptoms, so I kind of ruled out the shavings, but perhaps he was particularly susceptible? I've always had good ventilation (it's warm here at this time of year so I leave all the windows open).

    They say there is no cure. Should I break out the nitrogen? Or give him another day. He has started eating on his own again.

    I edited above, about his eating. The first two days, he wouldn't eat at all. Couldn't even hold his head in a position to allow it. Over the last two days, however, he has eaten a good deal on his own, provided I put the dish under him.

    I wouldn't be able to help you further along the lines of aspergillosis (trying to see if it is that)- hopefully someone will be along to help you more.
     
  5. Atomic Ranch

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    Quote:Thanks for your reply. [​IMG] I read a little about it. He didn't start gasping until 2 days ago, about 5 days into this most recent, serious bout. He does make a bit of a sound, though. He eats a LOT, provided he can get to the food, or I give it to him. It's going out the other end, for sure. The others are vivacious and don't exhibit any of the symptoms, so I kind of ruled out the shavings, but perhaps he was particularly susceptible? I've always had good ventilation (it's warm here at this time of year so I leave all the windows open).

    They say there is no cure. Should I break out the nitrogen? Or give him another day. He has started eating on his own again.

    I edited above, about his eating. The first two days, he wouldn't eat at all. Couldn't even hold his head in a position to allow it. Over the last two days, however, he has eaten a good deal on his own, provided I put the dish under him.

    I wouldn't be able to help you further along the lines of aspergillosis (trying to see if it is that)- hopefully someone will be along to help you more.

    I noticed the charts at the end of the page, and am doing some studying. It could be aspergillosis according to the first one. Or some sort of botulism, since he doesn't have a lot of the other symptoms. Thanks for the link, that'll be really useful in the future. [​IMG]
     
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    Quote:I wouldn't be able to help you further along the lines of aspergillosis (trying to see if it is that)- hopefully someone will be along to help you more.

    I noticed the charts at the end of the page, and am doing some studying. It could be aspergillosis according to the first one. Or some sort of botulism, since he doesn't have a lot of the other symptoms. Thanks for the link, that'll be really useful in the future. [​IMG]

    You are welcome. I hope your little guy gets better soon!
     
  7. Atomic Ranch

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    Thanks again. Any recommendations for helping him? If it is aspergillosis, since there's no cure, can he get better? I just don't want him to be in too much pain. I'm not supposed to keep roos anyway! [​IMG] Not that the fact is a deciding factor. I'd like to help him if I can.
     
  8. Atomic Ranch

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    DAMMIT! [​IMG] It must be aspergillus. It's common in starchy foods and maize crops: corn. It must have been the blasted corn! [​IMG] It was fresh, but nonetheless. I figured that since it was listed in the OK eats chart, and it was already in their food (in the dried form), that they'd love it. And they DID! Especially the leghorn, if I recall correctly.

    Is there ANYthing I can do? [​IMG]
     
  9. Atomic Ranch

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    So, I should put him down then?
     
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