Has anyone made a proposal to change the Standard on dubbing combs?

[CaramelKittey]

Hi all! This is a question for any APA/ABA breeders out there..
Has anyone actually tried to change the Standard regarding the dubbing of modern game, old English game, and American game birds? I hear a lot of talk about breeders saying that 'it is cruel to dub' and such, but I've never seen anybody actually make a proposal to change the standard? I would love to do it, but I am very new to the ABA (been a member for 6 days..) and I don't feel that it would be right for me to change the standard since I just joined the ABA, and I am a youth. Just wondering if anybody has asked about it or if it is possible for the standard to be changed?
Thank you in advance!

 

[Geena]

 

[Chickenman1994]

Usually the worst part of the blood is in the comb itself not coming out of the bird. Most of them don’t even make a peep when you trim they shake there head a few times due to them not being used to not having it but throw a little feed to them and there back to scratching like usual. Most people take it out of context as the only reason people do it is for them to fight birds when that’s not the case at all. It’s mainly for the health benefits of he bird There’s nothing worse than a bird with frost bite of left untreated it’ll go straight to there brain and guess what there good as dead after that. Go ahead and trim them and not have to worry about losing your prize bird. I could careless about what the “standards” are I trim mine for there own Health and wellness. Dehorning cattle is worse than trimming a rooster beleive me I’ve been raised around both and dehorning is far more gruesome but nothing is ever said to that or docking tails or trimming ears on dogs.

 

[roosterhavoc]

Are you guys serious? All you have to do is make the roosters little hats to protect them from the cold.

 

[Chickenman1994]

It’s far better for the birds the process isn’t bad if done correctly. There back to being completely normal as soon as it’s done the problem is people “hear” how cruel it is but have never done it them self it’s not cruel at all in my opinion. The birds appreciate it very much when there combs aren’t rotting off from frost bite and bleeding non stop from being pecked constantly.

 

[Amer]

I'm sure it's possible, but also feel that it would have been done by now if enough people truly didn't like it. I personally love the look. Hate the process, but i think they look much better with the dubbed combs, wattles and earlobes

I agree.
The dubbing gives Old English breeders an advantage because they don’t have to worry about the comb. Also it makes the birds look a lot neater. So even though many people might not like the dubbing, the majority of them do. That’s why dubbing will never leave the Standard. Even if people don’t like it, the game breeders do, and the game breeders are the one preserving the genetics, not the rest of us.
The fortunate thing is, if you like games but not dubbing, you can breed a female line and just show females.

 

[Chickenman1994]

Look at it this way the ones that have gamefowl are carrying on a old tradition that is slowly fading away most people that have gamefowl take better care of them than some people do there own children. I spend countless hours and money on my game roosters and hens making sure there 100% and have every little thing possible. Dubbing is just part of there breed. The people that usual don’t ageee with it just aren’t educated on it. It’s really no different than you cutting your fingernails to the quick it may sting them a little bit but like I’ve stated above the next morning there 110% again. There’s many YouTube videos on how to do it it’s not bad at all.

 

[FluffyBottomBantams]

ABA member here too We have a big problem with frostbite up here, but as a personal opinion I don’t like dubbing. I could see the rationale behind it if it was for practical reasons but dubbing for strictly aesthetic purposes isn’t something I could do or get behind , but to each their own of course. Actually we had a New Hampshire pullet almost completely dub herself on a messed up feeder as a chick and it healed perfectly on its own. She looks like a unicorn now

 

[JacinLarkwell]

I'm sure it's possible, but also feel that it would have been done by now if enough people truly didn't like it. I personally love the look. Hate the process, but i think they look much better with the dubbed combs, wattles and earlobes

 

[Chickenman1994]

The main key to this process is do not get the bird all hyped up and heart beating before you do this that’s when the blood happens it’s best to get them off the roost when there very calm cool and collected. Trim them fast and efficiently as you can put some flour or blood stop powder on the wound and get them out of your hands as soon as you can by morning time they’ll be healing up. People take this way out of context but I’ve seen barnyard roosters with massive straight combs black as coal and rotting off due to frost bite and it’s not a very pretty sight and it looks really bad on the owner I’d rather see a field full of trimmed birds with bright red heads them a yard full of half rotted deteriorated birds that look like there on there death bed but to each there own. I hope this helps with the process and you can get some information and some enlightening out of it.