Help me w/Goldiflock's Genetic Makeup - Orpington

Discussion in 'General breed discussions & FAQ' started by DawnSuiter, Nov 10, 2009.

  1. DawnSuiter

    DawnSuiter Chillin' With My Peeps

    As many of you know I'm working on a Gold Laced Orpington project, and it's time to really nail down my plan for season 2.
    I've been a slow study on the genetics but and getting along well now and am ready to start breaking this down.

    THIS is Goldiflocks
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    Updated guess: ER/eWh Pg/pg? Ml/ml+? Co/co S/s.....???

    His father is Blue
    http://lh3.ggpht.com/_ziEU9EdnVLI/SIo5o4GpoCI/AAAAAAAAAm4/kcxRmAxtkT0/s288/SilverChick.jpg
    http://lh6.ggpht.com/_ziEU9EdnVLI/SKHYq7zNG4I/AAAAAAAAApM/jCSnoqJfAvc/s288/101_1969.JPG
    http://lh3.ggpht.com/_ziEU9EdnVLI/SOuLrP8Lq4I/AAAAAAAABOM/w8xs1selHUo/s400/000_0098.jpg http://lh6.ggpht.com/_ziEU9EdnVLI/SgxHEH5tnFI/AAAAAAAAB9Q/t6yT44rPzNo/s800/Blue-7mos.jpg
    Updated guess: E/ER Pg/pg Ml/ml+ Bl/bl+ Mo+/mo S/S Important to note he was lacking melanizers or enhancers because rusty leakage showed on his shoulders

    His mother is PROBABLY a Buff Orpington Hen
    His egg came from a mixed pen there were also black orpingtons, silver & gold laced wyandottes & australorp hens.
    Updated guess: eWh/eWh Co/Co Db/Db Di/Di?

    Even farther back on his father's side
    Paternal Grandfather - Bama Chicken - assumably a mottled orpington, who's mother was also mottled
    https://www.backyardchickens.com/forum/uploads/11374_bamaroosterdaddysm.jpg
    Paternal Grandmother - Blue Orpington - no photos but presumably your typical blue orpington NOT related to Bama Chicken.
    Dawn's best guess: Grandfather - E/E co+/+ db+/db+ mo+/mo+ S/S -- Grandmother: E/E Pg/pg MI/MI+ Bl/bl+ S/S

    The Buff hen is from a long line of Buff Orpingtons raised by a US breeder. Likely this gal or her sister http://www.dawnonthefarm.com/bufforpingtonhen.jpg

    Goldiflocks
    has not yet produced any offspring, much to his dismay he hasn't yet met a girl, so there is nothing to draw from in the forward direction.

    Thank you.. and now I must find some aspirin/ibuprofen for my aching head and another cup of coffee! [​IMG]
    Please be kind, I'm still trying to understand everything on the basic level.. I know just enough now to get myself very confused [​IMG]

    (I'm updating this post as discoveries are made to make it easier to comment on the "current thinking")
     
    Last edited: Nov 12, 2009
  2. HorseFeatherz NV

    HorseFeatherz NV Eggink Chickens

    I cannot help you genetics wise - you lost me with your first best guess. (I cannot get past the first page of the chicken calculator [​IMG] but I keep trying)


    Just wanted to say that I love the pictures. It always fascinates me the changes from chick to adult.
     
  3. DawnSuiter

    DawnSuiter Chillin' With My Peeps

    Well.. thank you [​IMG]

    The only thing I seem to be finding is that the experts agree he is NOT from a Gold Laced Wyandotte hen! [​IMG]
    Shows how much I know [​IMG]
    And is the son of a BUFF Orpington hen! I guess that DOES better explain his comb & size/shape.. I wondered why he didn't appear more now as a GLW and instead has the nice large size of my Orpingtons.

    So, now the thinking is that his father, the black orp is actually maybe ER, and the mom of course eWh.. making him eWh/ER (or is it the other way around)

    What I still need/want to know is does his patterned plumage in his youth, indicate that he IS carrying at least one pattern gene? Or is this the work of some other combination of genes??? Maybe even a leftover from the Mo his grandfather carries?
     
  4. lildinkem

    lildinkem Chillin' With My Peeps

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    Sounds like a question for Krys. lolol
     
  5. DawnSuiter

    DawnSuiter Chillin' With My Peeps

    Hey Bill! Well.. Krys is advising when she has time.. she's a very busy lady and in high demand!
    I wish Buff wasn't such an elusive configuration.. that would make this so much easier to figure out!
     
  6. lildinkem

    lildinkem Chillin' With My Peeps

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    Yes Krys has it going on with her birds.
    Hard to say about the bird you have, I had a Black Australorp get into my pen with my Buff girls in the spring. The chicks came out with a chipmunk coloring, and nothing like yours. They grew out to be nice sized birds. I kept two to see how they finished. My one bird has more of a copper looking color then yours. Sorta look like a Black Copper Marans. BUT, he is a total mix. He is in my pen of rejects. lolol I have another cockerel, who is huge and an obvious Akers girl baby, that came out a muddy creamy white with dark blotches. A big boy too. I keep them around to have and see how big they get. A dollar a week to keep one of these giants alive. Someday they'll get eaten. For now they have a home. I am keeping about a dozen birds that should never be breed for anything but eating bird size. One of the pure bred Blacks I have is huge, but he had too lite an eye. He is in that pen too. Lotta big boys hanging out together & gettin along.
    I'd say just grow them out and see. What the hay, their worth a dollar a week to see.
     
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  7. DawnSuiter

    DawnSuiter Chillin' With My Peeps

    Well.. Goldi is here for a reason of course and breeding time is fast approaching.
    I'm working toward a goal here and am trying to figure out IF and where he might fit into it.
    I just love him to death, he's such a beauty and very sweet.
     
  8. lildinkem

    lildinkem Chillin' With My Peeps

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    You make sure you take care of those awesome Buff's. Cause Heather is NOT returning Don's calls, or anyone else's. And your line of Buff's has become more valueable. Their a national treasure!
     

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