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How do I get barred offspring from a mottled chicken?

Discussion in 'General breed discussions & FAQ' started by janel, Jan 8, 2011.

  1. janel

    janel Out Of The Brooder

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    I tried the chicken calculator and it's a little advanced for me. I would like to ideally cross Delawares with Mottled Houdans to get a chicken that eventually looks like a barred Houdan. Please give me your expertise!
     
  2. nzpouter

    nzpouter Chillin' With My Peeps

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    probably easier to use black polish barred leghorns..
     
  3. Illia

    Illia Crazy for Colors

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    Wait, why Black Polish and Barred Leghorns? [​IMG] Houdans need the fifth toe, plus Barred Leghorns are rare and neither of those breeds have mottling, AND, neither are meaty enough for a Houdan. Sorry.

    Mottling is recessive, so you'll need to breed back to the Houdan a lot, naturally, and thankfully barring is dominant. . . The key though I'd say is not with Delawares, you'll tackle the columbian, partridge, and silver genes there for a while, but instead try for a purely barred breed. Even something like Marans is a better choice, however you will of course tackle body type and egg color for a while.

    The thing to do is look for a solid barred bird with decent weight. That of course will be tricky, but for starters Marans, some barred Easter Eggers, Hollands (although good ones are REALLY rare)

    There are even White Crested Cuckoo Polish out there. [​IMG] That will keep you on track, actually, and be a lot easier to breed, however still you need to introduce size. Almost all Houdans in the US are depressingly underweight and under-type, so I would say if someone wants to work on a neat looking color of Houdan - Work on the body and save the Houdan first. [​IMG] My two cents.

    If you're really not in the concern for Houdans though, I say just go for White Crested Cuckoo Polish x Mottled Houdan, then crossed to the Houdan again, and you'll have a 25% chance of barred, mottled birds that look kind of like a Houdan. [​IMG]
     
  4. nzpouter

    nzpouter Chillin' With My Peeps

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    right... I thought he just wanted a chicken that "looks like a houdan" but barred.. not mottled bar.. if you have barred polish, then probably just easier to cross those into the houdan for the mottling and leaf comb..
     
  5. Chicken.Lytle

    Chicken.Lytle Chillin' With My Peeps

    I was thinking sharpie and whiteout.
     
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    donrae Hopelessly Addicted Premium Member

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  7. tadkerson

    tadkerson Chillin' With My Peeps

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    Quote:Delaware male X Mottled houdan= F1 black and barred birds ( most will leak some silver color)

    Cross an F1 black and barred male with Mottled houdan female = BC1 offspring - black and barred, black and barred and mottled (looks good, I have made this), black,and mottled.

    Cull any bird that does not have houdan charateristics- keep white shanks, barred, 5 toes, crested and smallest duplex combed birds. Duplex combs may look different for a few generations.

    Back cross a barred BC1 male (with the most houdan characteristics) to a female houdan

    Keep back crossing the best male to the houdan female until you get barred houdans with all the houdan characteristics.

    Next cross a barred houdan male with barred houdan females- cull the darker colored males and keep the lighter colored males.

    Mottling and barring will show up.


    This is a picture of a juvenile barred and mottled bird. I do not know if I have a picture of a mature bird. No time to search for the picture.

    [​IMG]


    Tim
     
  8. RAREROO

    RAREROO Chillin' With My Peeps

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    Quote:Delaware male X Mottled houdan= F1 black and barred birds ( most will leak some silver color)

    Cross an F1 black and barred male with Mottled houdan female = BC1 offspring - black and barred, black and barred and mottled (looks good, I have made this), black,and mottled.

    Cull any bird that does not have houdan charateristics- keep white shanks, barred, 5 toes, crested and smallest duplex combed birds. Duplex combs may look different for a few generations.

    Back cross a barred BC1 male (with the most houdan characteristics) to a female houdan

    Keep back crossing the best male to the houdan female until you get barred houdans with all the houdan characteristics.

    Next cross a barred houdan male with barred houdan females- cull the darker colored males and keep the lighter colored males.

    Mottling and barring will show up.


    This is a picture of a juvenile barred and mottled bird. I do not know if I have a picture of a mature bird. No time to search for the picture.

    https://www.backyardchickens.com/forum/uploads/13371_piebald_002r.jpg


    Tim

    I would LOVE to see a picture of an adult Barred Mottled bird if you do find one Tim. I'll be breeding a barred roo with my Mottled Java hens until I can get another Java roo for them and I've been wondering what a barred mottled bird acutally would look like.
     
  9. janel

    janel Out Of The Brooder

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    Thank you so much, everyone. One question, Tim. Just so I'm clear, could you explain what an F1 black and barred bird looks like? Can I tell it has those characteristics as a chick or do I need to wait until it feathers out?
    Quote:Delaware male X Mottled houdan= F1 black and barred birds ( most will leak some silver color)

    Cross an F1 black and barred male with Mottled houdan female = BC1 offspring - black and barred, black and barred and mottled (looks good, I have made this), black,and mottled.

    Cull any bird that does not have houdan charateristics- keep white shanks, barred, 5 toes, crested and smallest duplex combed birds. Duplex combs may look different for a few generations.

    Back cross a barred BC1 male (with the most houdan characteristics) to a female houdan

    Keep back crossing the best male to the houdan female until you get barred houdans with all the houdan characteristics.

    Next cross a barred houdan male with barred houdan females- cull the darker colored males and keep the lighter colored males.

    Mottling and barring will show up.


    This is a picture of a juvenile barred and mottled bird. I do not know if I have a picture of a mature bird. No time to search for the picture.

    https://www.backyardchickens.com/forum/uploads/13371_piebald_002r.jpg


    Tim
     
  10. RAREROO

    RAREROO Chillin' With My Peeps

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    Quote:Delaware male X Mottled houdan= F1 black and barred birds ( most will leak some silver color)

    Cross an F1 black and barred male with Mottled houdan female = BC1 offspring - black and barred, black and barred and mottled (looks good, I have made this), black,and mottled.

    Cull any bird that does not have houdan charateristics- keep white shanks, barred, 5 toes, crested and smallest duplex combed birds. Duplex combs may look different for a few generations.

    Back cross a barred BC1 male (with the most houdan characteristics) to a female houdan

    Keep back crossing the best male to the houdan female until you get barred houdans with all the houdan characteristics.

    Next cross a barred houdan male with barred houdan females- cull the darker colored males and keep the lighter colored males.

    Mottling and barring will show up.


    This is a picture of a juvenile barred and mottled bird. I do not know if I have a picture of a mature bird. No time to search for the picture.

    https://www.backyardchickens.com/forum/uploads/13371_piebald_002r.jpg


    Tim


    You mean an F1 Black or barred chick that is carrying one copy of mottleing ? Het. Mottled birds usually feather in with some mottling mainly in the breast area, but it usually molts out before they mature, it may be even less noticable on a barred bird.
     

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