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HOW do you get a Silkied Frizzled feathered bird??

Discussion in 'General breed discussions & FAQ' started by ICallMyselfCherie', Jun 22, 2011.

  1. ICallMyselfCherie'

    ICallMyselfCherie' Chillin' With My Peeps

    I have so many questions, and I have been searching and searching for answers on here and elsewhere to no avail!

    I am starting to breed seramas and I have been seeing "Silkied Frizzled" Serama breeder birds for sale. How is that achieved? They say that if you mate one of those birds with a silkie, half will be silkies and half will be silkied frizzles, but how do you CREATE one of those birds to begin with? Frizzle is dominant and silkie is recessive, so breeding a silkie with a frizzle will just give you another frizzle . . . or maybe 50% smooth feather, right? So is it just a matter of crossing the frizzle offspring back to the silkie parent over and over until you get a silkie frizzle? Also, is a bird that has both silkie and frizzle the same thing as a "Sizzle"?

    I hope somebody can help me understand this, I can't seem to find the answer anywhere! [​IMG]
     
  2. chickendales

    chickendales Chillin' With My Peeps

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    ICallMyselfCherie' :

    I have so many questions, and I have been searching and searching for answers on here and elsewhere to no avail!

    I am starting to breed seramas and I have been seeing "Silkied Frizzled" Serama breeder birds for sale. How is that achieved? They say that if you mate one of those birds with a silkie, half will be silkies and half will be silkied frizzles, but how do you CREATE one of those birds to begin with? Frizzle is dominant and silkie is recessive, so breeding a silkie with a frizzle will just give you another frizzle . . . or maybe 50% smooth feather, right? So is it just a matter of crossing the frizzle offspring back to the silkie parent over and over until you get a silkie frizzle? Also, is a bird that has both silkie and frizzle the same thing as a "Sizzle"?

    I hope somebody can help me understand this, I can't seem to find the answer anywhere! [​IMG]

    the silkies and frizzle gene in seramas came out of normal birds not mixing them​
     
  3. ICallMyselfCherie'

    ICallMyselfCherie' Chillin' With My Peeps

    So if you don't mix them . . . how do you get them in the same bird?
     
  4. chickendales

    chickendales Chillin' With My Peeps

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    the silkie serama came out of to normal feather birds that both carried the gene
    the frizzle gene could have been added in throw frizzle old english games
     
  5. chickendales

    chickendales Chillin' With My Peeps

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    if u want frizzle seramas go find one that are frizzled if u want silkied sermas go find breeder of them type is very impotant in seramas and it be to hard to get back once u mixed in silkies or something frizzled
     
  6. ICallMyselfCherie'

    ICallMyselfCherie' Chillin' With My Peeps

    Okay . . . so the silkie and frizzle genes need to come from a different type of bird? So I have a silkie serama and a frizzle serama, but I could not get a silkie frizzle serama from that combination, only by breeding in genes from another breed?
     
  7. chickendales

    chickendales Chillin' With My Peeps

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    ICallMyselfCherie' :

    Okay . . . so the silkie and frizzle genes need to come from a different type of bird? So I have a silkie serama and a frizzle serama, but I could not get a silkie frizzle serama from that combination, only by breeding in genes from another breed?

    no u can get silkies frizzle sermas from both parent would carrie silkie and one carries frizzle​
     
  8. KellyHM

    KellyHM Overrun With Chickens

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    The result your're asking for takes at least 2 generations:

    1st: Frizzle x Silkie => F1 - all non-silkied offspring, 50% frizzled
    2nd: Frizzled F1 x Smooth F1 => 75% non-silkied and 25% silkied (since each parent carries a recessive silkied gene), again with 50% of offspring frizzled
    After this all silkied birds (frizzle or not) that are mated together with give silkied offspring

    ETA: In the 2nd generation you could also cross an F1 frizzled bird back to a Silkie and get 50% silkied birds, with 50% frizzled
     
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  9. chickendales

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    Quote:no u can get silkies frizzle sermas from both parent would carrie silkie and one carries frizzle

    so u can get them from breeding silkie to frizzle then those frizzled babies back to silkied
     
  10. KellyHM

    KellyHM Overrun With Chickens

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    Quote:no u can get silkies frizzle sermas from both parent would carrie silkie and one carries frizzle

    Yes, you could, but it would take more than one generation.

    Breed them together, then breed the frizzled offspring back to the silkied parent and you will get 50% silkied (with a 50% chance of being frizzled too).
     

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