How do you guys feel about the booster seat laws being put in place?

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and I thank you for doing your job and protecting us - the citizens. Such a thankless job indeed....just like the military.

So...thank you for putting your life on the line each and every day.

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to the policemen/women, firemen/women and our military.
 
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DH and I have had this conversation many times. Why don't buses have seatbelts? Why don't RVs have more seats with seatbelts on them. I'd love to travel in an RV someday but I don't want my child just hanging in the back freely.
 
With fairly new RVs, there are generally lots of seatbelts. My parents last three had seatbelts everywhere, the kitchen table, the couch, and the other seat in the cabin area. You may have to lift up cushions or open the storage areas under seats to find them, but they are there. My only issue is that they are generally just lap belts. I would really like to see more with a shoulder strap as well.
 
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There's a big problem with that. Our police today are completely different
from what our forefathers had in mind. There is a HUGE difference from
protecting the innocent and enforcing ridiculous laws that hurt people.

I'm the son of a retired cop and have many who are my friends. It's a
thankless job for sure but is made worse by so many overzealous and
ego-driven schmucks in uniform. The good cops have to deal with
stereotypes caused by the bad ones. I remember hundreds of times
being with my dad at work, all proud to be with my dad and hero, the
cool caring policeman, and people would stare at the cop, 80% either
hating or being paranoid of him.

I don't want to get off topic but I know a lot of cops that refuse to give
tickets for failure to wear a seatbelt and other petty or stupid infractions.

A good cop will do everything he/she can do to help out and protect the
normal citizen. Unfortunately our system is making it almost impossible
for most cops to be human and it's also discouraging a lot of good people
from entering law enforcement.

Some cops actually give other cops tickets these days. I'm sorry, but if
you know anything about the code, you do not do that.
 
Purple chicken, I too am the child of a retired cop and I agree with you 100%! not the same caliber today at all anymore. Guys these days arent in it to be heros....sadly too many are in it to satisfy their power trips.

Since that's so off topic tho, I just wanted to mention, this post actually carried over to my workplace last night and we had a huge discussion about seatbelt laws and booster seat laws...very interesting! So thanks for providing with good topic and points everyone.
 
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Here, I am going to assume that you mean the general "you" as opposed to ME in particular. That way no one here will be offended by your assumption that I, specifically, receive ANY form of welfare assistance from the government. Just for clarity's sake, I DO NOT receive assistance from any government agency to feed, cloth, house or in any way pay to raise MY children. Nor do I EXPECT any such assistance. I pay my way as I expect everyone else to do. I do not feel I should have to pay anyone else's medical bills, either.

I am NO WAY opposed to protecting minor children. I do, however, believe that I am allowed to CHOSE to wear a seat belt. I am an adult. I pay my own way. I expect nothing from this government but to leave me to the rights "of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness". I can vote, drink and gamble if I so chose, yet I can't run to the convenient store with out putting on a seatbelt?

My post - as I clearly stated was in opposition to being told that I had to wear a belt. I have said - repeatedly - that my children wear them and always have been in compliance with the law. I also said I found it hypocritical that I have to wear a belt in my car when I see motorcyclists riding down the road at 60+ mph with out belt or helmet. To me, and my DH, this is a ludicrous delineation. I was merely pointing out the inconsistency of state and federal laws when enacting these "protect the citizenry" types of laws. And, that in some instances the tightening of these laws can make it hard on those of us who are in the lower income bracket. But to extrapolate that lower income means welfare recipient, well that's an unfair leap of judgment.

I have stated my opinion and you have stated yours, and we are just going to have to agree to disagree.

I never said anything about people not having children, you are putting words in my mouth. I have said several times that you can do whatever you want. If there are mandatory seatbelt laws do you think a person's insurance will cover the expenses if an individual is in an accident? This is where I am saying I do not want to cover the hospital bills because someone chooses not to wear a belt. When insurance does not cover expenses, how will that person pay for the bills? Declare bankruptcy? Then who gets to foot the bill?

I never said you were a recipient of welfare, I apologize for any misunderstanding. I was just rambling the various programs off the top of my head and I should have worded that statement differently. Frankly, I would love it if I could go get a piece of land and be completely self-sufficient, and stick my nose up at the Gov. Yes there are a lot of dumb laws in this country, but there are others that are worthwhile. A straight, across the board law regarding safety seats for kids would make lives much easier.

Just a quick question; why did you decide to post about what I said, when others have made similar statements without repercussions?
 
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Agreed wholeheartedly! It's not about safety, it's about revenue generation and control.

The Govt - Saving you, at a price. Whether you like it or not!

I am against them too. Since they became mandatory in the UK there are now less organ donors around for the people who really do want to live. Go ahead, make someone else's day, leave your seatbelt undone and become an organ donor
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So would I!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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Agreed wholeheartedly! It's not about safety, it's about revenue generation and control.

The Govt - Saving you, at a price. Whether you like it or not!

I am against them too. Since they became mandatory in the UK there are now less organ donors around for the people who really do want to live. Go ahead, make someone else's day, leave your seatbelt undone and become an organ donor
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IF that's how you want to take it, fine, but I should have that *choice*. Our govt was founded to protect our Liberties, and one Liberty we can not do without is the right to make our own choices, right or wrong, and suffer the results ourselves.

Overzealous Govt (and many people who support this sort of thinking) are chipping away at our rights. Some people simply get a kick out of making other people jump through their hoops. At various times throughout history it was religious zealouts doing that, or activists like the Temperance movement. Today it's the Nannies and the Nanny State giving people their "I'm holier than Thou" fix.

Btw, I always wear my seatbelt, and I wear a helmet when I ride my motorcycle... but I object to someone else standing over me with wagging finger ordering me to do so with the threat of legal force.
 
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I am against them too. Since they became mandatory in the UK there are now less organ donors around for the people who really do want to live. Go ahead, make someone else's day, leave your seatbelt undone and become an organ donor
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IF that's how you want to take it, fine, but I should have that *choice*. Our govt was founded to protect our Liberties, and one Liberty we can not do without is the right to make our own choices, right or wrong, and suffer the results ourselves.

Overzealous Govt (and many people who support this sort of thinking) are chipping away at our rights. Some people simply get a kick out of making other people jump through their hoops. At various times throughout history it was religious zealouts doing that, or activists like the Temperance movement. Today it's the Nannies and the Nanny State giving people their "I'm holier than Thou" fix.

Btw, I always wear my seatbelt, and I wear a helmet when I ride my motorcycle... but I object to someone else standing over me with wagging finger ordering me to do so with the threat of legal force.

You do realise you are not actually being prevented from doing anything you like, like everything else in life there is simply a consequence being attached to that choice:

Wear your seatbelt and increase your chances of surviving an acident, Don't wear your seatbelt and increase you chance of a serious injury and a penalty fine.

Your rights are not being eroded you are simply being told there is a consequence to what you are doing. (This is not a new thing, it holds true fundamentaly for everything since the beginning of time! remember Einstein's cause and effect?)

Now you are perfectly able to choose to oppose any law you do not like and not conform to it, however there is a consequence, it is your decision.

BTW I am glad that governments make decisions that help protect our children. Whilst everyone here obviously holds their children's welfare as a top priority, unfortunately it is not so everywhere. There are always those people who will only care for their children when a threat of financial hardship , imprisonment, etc is likely. For those children's lives, laws like this are litteraly life saving.

IMHO Children are not the property of their parents, they have a right to their protection under the law and a right to the freedom to grow up and pursue their constitutional rights, they cannot do that if some idiot parent thinks its okay to sit them in the back of a car and turn them into hamburger in the event of an accident!

I was not going to say this as I wanted to be objective and not personal, but I was thrown through the back of a car window when i was 3 weeks old after my father placed my crib on the back seat. He was only going to the store and it was not far. He always drove carefully, unfortunately the drunk driver who hit us did not.

My Mum was left severely scarred after the accident, she sufered terrible nightmares, post natal depression and had a nervous breakdown. I was thrown through the rear window and landed on the grass at the side of the highway. Even though I was fine my father has never forgiven himself for what happened, my mother said looking behind her and not seeing me there was the worst moment of her life.

I was incredibly fortunate but how many other people think the same thing... its not far, i'm only driving slow, it's only the back roads, there's never any traffic around here, they're my kids, i decide, its too much hassle to get the kids in their seat, it's my constitutional right (to endanger my kids!)...........
 
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