I dont think she is a lav split but not sure need advise

Discussion in 'General breed discussions & FAQ' started by AHappychick, Jan 24, 2010.

  1. AHappychick

    AHappychick Wanna-be Farmer

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    Ok I bought a pair of splash silkies a while back. The seller said they were lav splits and I like a fool believed.

    Now I have had the female with a lav roo and I am not hatching out any lavender from the pairing, they look more like lavender partridge when they hatch or a really dark PI.

    If she is carrying the lav gene wouldnt it show up and a few chicks hatch out lavender? Since I dont have her whole history I am unable to plug it into the calculator. I am going to keep using her at this time to see how the birds feather in but so far 5 babies and no pure lav. Is this something that may happen every once and a while or should I acept the fact that she is probably not a split or if she is she dose not have the lav gene?

    either way she has a home here as it is good to have a splash in a PI project pen but I was trying to determine if she really was a split first.

    I just had 2 hatch I will get some pics of them in a few minutes [​IMG]
     
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  2. RAREROO

    RAREROO Overrun With Chickens

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    If she is Splash colored, then I'm pretty sure she can't be split lavender since breeding to lavender in the first cross is like breeding to black.

    Maybe the seller though they had a lavender that was really a splash.

    But if it were a splash X lav that would produce blue split lavs

    If it were a blue X lav that would give blue and black split lavs

    and if it were black X lav that would give all black split lavs

    The only possible way to get a splash that carrys lavender is to cross blue (split lavs) together and that will give Lavender, Black, Blue and Splash, some of those BBS colors will be split lav but there would be no way of telling the splits from the ones who don't carry the lav.

    So there's a slim chance that someone even crossed blue split lavs together and even slimmer chance that you ended up with a splash split lav out of that. So I would say that some may have thought they had a lav and didn't know how the lav gene works, or they just lied to you.
     
  3. AHappychick

    AHappychick Wanna-be Farmer

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    Quote:well I dont doubt the seller could have been wrong but they were from G.M. line and I know that he has some slpash in his lav and PI pens.

    either way the offspring is certainly split to lav now [​IMG]

    in addition i have breed black and lav together and the splits are never one color they are always mixed usually looking sort of like an ugly grey so I am sure these splash looking birds could have some lav in them somewhere. Just so you know both splash birds (roo and hen) have what looks to be some buff bleeding though.

    anyway I have been told that it may take a while to hatch out a pure lav from her and that I should hatch a lot more before I deside she has no lav in her. I will post pics in a sec.
     
  4. AHappychick

    AHappychick Wanna-be Farmer

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    well here they are. Now that they have dried I see they are not the same color at all. hmmm... I am positive both are from the splash and lav though. But one looks more like a regular partridge now.



    check out the HUGE crests and vaulted sculls they have already!

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    And here is a possible PI chick either that or a buff/lav split a little older of course

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  5. RAREROO

    RAREROO Overrun With Chickens

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    I think they look like greys. And what does PI stand for? Is it Partridge Isabel,?
     
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  6. AHappychick

    AHappychick Wanna-be Farmer

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    every lav split I have ever seen from a lav bird and a black bird have all been greyish in color. I have now hatched out 20-30 of them and all of the pics of other peoples lav black split birds look the same. Are you saying when you breed a lavender bird to a black bird you get all black chicks because I would love to see a pic of that since I never have.

    PI- porcelain Isabelle
     
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  7. RAREROO

    RAREROO Overrun With Chickens

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    Yep, that's how it's supposed to work, Lav to Black is supposed to give all black colored chicks but they carry one copy of the lav gene, I don't have any, but maybe you can post a thread and ask for pics.
     
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  8. AHappychick

    AHappychick Wanna-be Farmer

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    Quote:Ok thats what I thought, yes thats what the chicken calculators say but that is not how it goes. I have spoken with a few people and they confirm that they get the same colors that I am getting. [​IMG]
     
  9. GracefulBantams

    GracefulBantams Hatching and Showing

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    I'm not sure I can be much help with the genetic part, but I just wanted to add that I have a Splash split to Lav pullet from Mihilak lines
     
  10. Sonoran Silkies

    Sonoran Silkies Flock Mistress

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    Yes, a splash can also be lavender or split to lavender. Split to lav is not visible, but can only be known by breeding or by having lavender offspring. A bird who is bloth splash (or blue) and lavender has an appearance in between that of splash (or blue) and that of lavender.

    With only 5 chicks I would not expect the ratios to be anywhere near accurate--hatch 20 and you'll be closer, hatch 100 and you will probably be dead on. Anyways, if both parents are split, from 5 chicks the %ages would indicate that only one chick would be lav/lav. Even from lavenderXsplit parents you would only have two to three lav/lav chicks.

    George has told me that his lavenders when bred with some other lines of lavender throw partridge. The chicks you posted look like one grey and one partridge.
     

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