Well call it falling with style. They are too big and heavy to lift up from he ground so i thought they are safe and cant take off and i wont have to clip them. Was i wrong. One of them (Goose) hops up the stairs to the back door and likes to sit the there. This morning while walking the puppy he was sitting again all sudden he lifted his wings , made a jump and took off. he got almost twenty feet and stopped at a fence post in the middle of my yard(dont ask me why its there) I guess i now will clip them and fence the stairs off, which we dont we use anyways.