I have two Indian Runners from Ideal. They don't stand as straight as "show quality" Runners. I love them just the same though. As I was looking around BYC at all the beautiful Runners I learned that Holderread's Runners are "show quality" and stand up very straight. So (just because I'm curious) I went to the Holderread website. Big mistake. I fell in love with the pic they have of a white Runner. *sigh* One of the prettiest ducks I think I've ever seen. And (surprisingly) their prices are about the same as the hatcheries I've looked at. Ugh! Now I want to order white Runners from them. This must be the "duck math" I keep hearing about. Maybe I should go ahead and start planning for a bigger flock. Lol.