Okay, we have finally clarified our city ordinance for chickens and they are causing us to struggle with designing a coop.... We also found out that even a rolling "shed" or outbuilding of any size will require a zoning permit which is no big deal but... the city ordinance for chicken keeping is thus... A chicken coop is allowed within 25 feet of a dwelling. A chicken coop with a run has to be 60 feet from a dwelling. After pacing out our yard in relation to the houses around us we cannot make the 60 rule work (we end up too close to one house or another either way) with a visible run. We talked with 3 of our 4 neighbors and they could care less if we have chickens. BUT, we live next to people on one side who actually complained because we mowed their lawn for 2 years as a kindness... I am not discussing chickens with them. Part of their yard joins a busy church with people who like to amble around a great deal. Our combined yards and church parking lot essentially look like a giant field. Chickens in a run would be noticed without question. We only want 2-3 chickens. We want to be within the scope of the law and are trying to figure out how to build a concealed run. My discussions with city hall imply that fencing constitutes a run. If the run were underneath and somehow covered it would not be seen as a run. Would this work for the health of the chickens. I am thinking something maybe covered on a couple sides and an obstructed "view" on the other sides for ventilation. We toyed with building something in the garage.... Do chickens really need a grass run or could be just give them a big open coop. The size of the coop is not an issue. Just the run. Thanks for any input!