Ill Leghorn - Tried many things Please Help

Discussion in 'Emergencies / Diseases / Injuries and Cures' started by Aschuchert, Feb 12, 2015.

  1. Aschuchert

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    We have an ill 5 yr old Leghorn we took in last November. I'll list history, symptoms and treatment we've employed but I'm sure that there will be more questions.
    Janice is nearly 5 yrs old rescue Leghorn with only 1 previous respiratory illness (1yr old), no longer is laying.
    We quarantined her of 1 month on intake and 2 weeks into her arrival she started to have diarrhea with runny green droppings and watery fluid surrounding the droppings. Otherwise she was active and bright eyed, feisty with the flock when integrated so we downplayed the issue.
    Our flock had Fowl Pox during quarantine period (dry variety) but she never had symptoms. (2 Americaunas, 3 Australorps - 1 yrs old).
    We've integrated her with the flock (December) and she has fit in at a low status with not much trouble, some challenges getting her to eat.
    We coddled her too much with treats of tomatoes and strawberry tops - she had a recurring case of sour crop for last month (January) - finally treated with Monistat (generic) and seams to be clear this week...so far.
    For food the flock gets garden greens, some kitchen scraps, organic crumbles with occasional meal worms. We add ACV to water (not while we were treating sour crop) and probiotics in food (powder and as plain yogurt). We've cut out all fruit since she got sour crop. They free range each day and have access to grasses and desert / vegetable garden yard (so she may have eaten ANYTHING by now) - she was free range 100% before so no change.
    She's been quarantined 3 or 4 times for up to 4 days at a time since late December to clear up the sour crop, first we tried regurgitation, olive oil, and crop massage to rid any blockage and diet changes but it reappeared after a few days each time we reintroduced her to flock. The regurgitation never worked well, we mostly worried about further respiratory issues. Each time we quarantine her she acts depressed, barely eats even mealworm treats. She's happier with our girls, even at a low status.
    The diarrhea has continued, her bum feathers were so coated we trimmed them away and have to clean her regularly, no signs of distended vent or infection there. Monistat treatment is hopeful but doesn't address the diarrhea issue which is declining.
    We treated the whole flock for round worms in December (Wazine 17) and have always used DE in coop, food, and run. We retreated her again 3 days ago - no positive changes. This was recommended by local feed store but haven't had any signs in droppings of worms before or after treatment (I'm not shy about digging around to see what was in their droppings)
    Today, she is showing signs of weakness, droopy wings and tail feathers.
    I'm not willing to pay for a vet, yes I know it may help, but I have enormous medical bills so I have to prioritize.

    It may just be her time but I need to try every resource I can and the BYC sites have always helped with our first year of chicken raising so I hope this will help again. Thank you for your time!
     
  2. ChickensAreSweet

    ChickensAreSweet Heavenly Grains for Hens

    Wazine only treats large roundworms. I'd worm her with something better that kills all types of worms.

    Look up valbazen and safeguard but make sure you toss eggs (most say for a couple of weeks) after giving them. Repeat in 10 days to break life cycle of worms.

    Also make sure there is no mites/lice issue. If you decide to dust, repeat at 7 days for mites and 14 days for lice. Also dust coop/toss bedding and nesting material.

    These wormers I mentioned are off label and you have to do your research to make your decision. There is a Rooster Booster wormer that I have tried and like where you don't have to toss eggs.
     
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  3. casportpony

    casportpony Team Tube Feeding Captain & Poop Inspector General Premium Member

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    I mean this in the nicest way possible, but there are a couple of issues with that link. :D

    1st - it does not list doses and does not mention that giving it orally is more effective.
    2nd - it lists ivermectin, but I have seen studies that say it's not an effective wormer.

    Safeguard liquid or paste at 0.23ml per pound for five days would be my first choice. That amount for five days will treat most worms.

    -Kathy
     
  4. casportpony

    casportpony Team Tube Feeding Captain & Poop Inspector General Premium Member

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    DE doesn't work. Check for mites and lice and treat with poultry dust or 5% Sevin.

    -Kathy
     
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  6. casportpony

    casportpony Team Tube Feeding Captain & Poop Inspector General Premium Member

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    Her sour crop issues and diarrhea may be due to and underlying disease like cancer. Some cancers you can feel by gently inserting a lubed, gloved finger in their vents. Ovarian cancer often spreads to the intestines and will feel like little pimples. You might want to try this on a hen that's healthy first, that'll give you an idea of what they should feel like inside.

    So many things can cause what you're seeing, including the crop issues. Some are treatable with little effort, some require extensive treatment with supportive care and some are not treatable.

    If she were mine I would start by stabilizing her and hydrating her. Then she would get a thorough exam and I'd start de-worming, but only if she were stable, warm and properly hydrated. Almost all sick birds will be a little hypothermic and dehydrated, so you should assume that she is. Ideal room/cage temp is 80-85 degrees and hydration is 15ml water per pound, then again in 60-90 minutes. Best to give water via tube - See tube feeding link in my sig.

    -Kathy
     
  7. Aschuchert

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    Thank you everyone for your comments, we found out the Wazine wasnt a broad sprectrum wormer after dosing. Sigh, feed store doesnt carry anything else.. maybe the cat vet will sell something...
    Btw, we dosed based on the bottle recommended about (100 chickens then divided to dose our 6 girls)
    We check them for mites & lice all the time and none have signs or look like the pictures on BYC.
    She's staying well hydrated on her own but we'll add more to help get her the extra to heal. We're in Arizona desert so temp isnt issue 79 today with 80's most the time, they have lots of shade & she sleeps in the coop.
    I will try the vent inspection once i reread that process, seems a violation that may stress her out too much but seems to be next step.
    I am calling a vet to see if they can get a better wormer. Thanks again all.
     
  8. dawg53

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    Large roundworms can weaken a bird, and the wazine wouldve taken care of them. I dont believe a better wormer is the answer in this instance. I suspect a cocci problem or ecoli bacterial infection. I recommend that you take a fresh fecal sample to a vet and have them look at it under a microscope. If the microscopic slide is loaded with cocci, she'll need treatment. A few cocci on the slide is normal. Perhaps they'll also test for ecoli as well, you'll have to ask them. They will also let you know if there are worm eggs on the slide as well, and what type if there are any.
     
  9. ChickensAreSweet

    ChickensAreSweet Heavenly Grains for Hens

    Just a thought:

    When you reduced the amount of Wazine for your small flock, did you proportionally decrease the amount of water for the dosage:
    https://www.backyardchickens.com/t/279577/wazine-dosage

    The dosage of Wazine is such that the ratio would remain the same of medication to water, regardless of how much you mix up. So for example if you reduced the Wazine by a certain amount then the water also gets decreased by a certain amount, so that it would be equivalent to what is posted here (it is also on the bottle as you noted):
    http://www.flemingoutdoors.com/piperazine-liquid-17-8-oz.html

    I jut mix up a gallon of it based on the bottle's instruction no matter the size of my flock. This is all moot of course, but I thought I would check just in case so you know for next time if needed.
     
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