Kellimax02
In the Brooder
- Jul 15, 2017
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I wanted to post on here to see if anyone has any suggestions, sees something I don't, and to just make sure I'm doing what I can. That said let me follow the guidelines for posting in this forum:
1. Parmigiana is my RIR, 1.5 yrs old, 5.1lbs, current feel: thin in the keel
2. Current: hanging out on the back of my chair, looking around at her
surroundings, grooming every now & again
3. Current symptoms started Tuesday 8/29/17, but in hindsight could have been going on since around 7/14/17
4. None of my other 2 (EE's) are exhibiting symptoms of any kind.
5. NO: bleeding, injury, broken bones, signs of trauma
6. Back in July, she started to be picked on by the others. I carefully observed their behavior and determined it to just be a pecking order change. However on 7/14 I took her to the vet because the bullying had become aggressive and her behavior had changed to "something is off". The vet gave her an exam, tested blood & fecal (came back perfectly normal), and a .1mL Ivermectin injection for what he suspected (but not 100%) was mites. She was quarantined for 7 days and everything was normal while in quarantine (behavior, poop, eating/drinking, even laying) as well as when I put her back in the coop with the others after treating them & the coop/run with elector PSP. Going back to June her lay schedule: 6/2,5,6,7,10,11,13,15,16,17,20,23,24,25,26,28,29,30
7/4,6,7,8,10,11,12,14,15X,17X,18X,19X,21X,22,27,30 (x days bc of Iver)
8/1,2,3,6,7,9,11,12,14,15,16 and none since although she started to molt around the 15th, but would go to nest with no eggs
Fast forward to Tuesday 8/29: she was sitting in nesting box in the am, but didn't yell at me like she does when she's laying (or trying to). I shooed her to out but she laid on the poop tray (where there was watery yellow/white poop). I took her out & offered her raisins which she refused so I KNEW something was wrong.
7. Tuesday: no eating or drinking in am, ate few mealworms and scrambled eggs in evening after treatment (see below). Wednesday: no drinking, would only eat meal worms & scrambled egg, devoured rare tuna steak in the evening. Today: drank on own a little and so far only once, still only eating tuna, meal worms, eggs. *The entire time she has had grit available, and has been offered sprouts, mash (regular feed w/kelp & bone broth), oatmeal w/kelp & kefir*
8. Poop still looks the same: watery white with brown mixed in. Is pooping about every 2-3 hours
9. Treatment so far: Tuesday-.5mL NutriDrench, 3mL garlic water (given every day since chick) via syringe every 15min. Internal exam to check for egg binding, 1 Tums crushed & mixed w/water administered via syringe, Epsom salt bath (repeated exam & bath after 1 hour). It became apparent to me after researching that she had Ascites (presented with every symptom), I used a 3mL syringe (had on hand) and a 18 gauge 1" needle to drain fluid from her abdomen in the evening. I decided on this method because she was fading fast: eyes closed, sitting all day, labored mouth breathing, discoloration of comb. IMMEDIATELY after draining 3mL fluid she became alert. Put her back in cage, she began to eat and was standing. She was draining fluid all night, but no longer mouth breathing and comb went back to normal. She even roosted on a rolling pin I put in the cage for her.
Wednesday: in the am she didn't look good again so I decided to drain her again, but this time I removed the syringe plunger & let her drain through it into a measuring cup. Just over 3/4 c came out. Put her back in the crate, .5mL NutriDrench again her recovery was immediate. Throughout the day I gave her .25mL 50ppm colloidal silver (antibiotic/antibacterial/antiviral/anti-inflammatory) on an alternating half hour rotation of .5mL acidophilus/bifido (1 capsule mixed w/enough water to make suspension).She was still draining ALOT throughout the day, but seemingly gaining strength & vigor every hour. Gave her another Epsom salt bath, crated, & watched.
Today: Started antibiotic (CS)/probiotic rotation (same dose) hourly. Going to bathe her again as she's stopped draining so her butt fluff is all matted. Started Kali Phos treatment for IL/EYP (4mL dose of 1 6c tablet to 4tsp water).
**Notes: fluid drained was cloudy yellow indicating internal laying/EYP
10. Treatment Intention: I would prefer to treat her myself as our vet is 45min away and a same day appointment is $200 let alone what they actually do. I spent around $400 at last visit and my husband has a $500/per animal cap on medical costs. However, I am NOT opposed to putting her down if her symptoms do not improve. I would rather try what I can first and if it doesn't work I would never sacrifice her quality of life for my emotional attachment.
11. Pics: will attempt to post
12. Current housing: dog crate w/training pad (changed whenever soiled), available water/grit/food. Although, I have had her out of crate for the last few hours because shes doing well but not well enough for me to put her back.
I am aware the Ascites is a symptom of EYP and that's a symptom of IL. I treated the symptoms and they provided immediate relief. I am continuing to treat the EYP w/antibiotic & probiotic rotation, and the only course of action I have for IL is the Kali. I know that generally the prognoses of all 3 of these issues isn't a good one, but I have to try and am hopeful. Any comments/suggestions/advice would be helpful.
And from the bottom of my heart, may God bless each of you on this site as it has been an invaluable resource to me throughout being a chicken mama <3
1. Parmigiana is my RIR, 1.5 yrs old, 5.1lbs, current feel: thin in the keel
2. Current: hanging out on the back of my chair, looking around at her
surroundings, grooming every now & again
3. Current symptoms started Tuesday 8/29/17, but in hindsight could have been going on since around 7/14/17
4. None of my other 2 (EE's) are exhibiting symptoms of any kind.
5. NO: bleeding, injury, broken bones, signs of trauma
6. Back in July, she started to be picked on by the others. I carefully observed their behavior and determined it to just be a pecking order change. However on 7/14 I took her to the vet because the bullying had become aggressive and her behavior had changed to "something is off". The vet gave her an exam, tested blood & fecal (came back perfectly normal), and a .1mL Ivermectin injection for what he suspected (but not 100%) was mites. She was quarantined for 7 days and everything was normal while in quarantine (behavior, poop, eating/drinking, even laying) as well as when I put her back in the coop with the others after treating them & the coop/run with elector PSP. Going back to June her lay schedule: 6/2,5,6,7,10,11,13,15,16,17,20,23,24,25,26,28,29,30
7/4,6,7,8,10,11,12,14,15X,17X,18X,19X,21X,22,27,30 (x days bc of Iver)
8/1,2,3,6,7,9,11,12,14,15,16 and none since although she started to molt around the 15th, but would go to nest with no eggs
Fast forward to Tuesday 8/29: she was sitting in nesting box in the am, but didn't yell at me like she does when she's laying (or trying to). I shooed her to out but she laid on the poop tray (where there was watery yellow/white poop). I took her out & offered her raisins which she refused so I KNEW something was wrong.
7. Tuesday: no eating or drinking in am, ate few mealworms and scrambled eggs in evening after treatment (see below). Wednesday: no drinking, would only eat meal worms & scrambled egg, devoured rare tuna steak in the evening. Today: drank on own a little and so far only once, still only eating tuna, meal worms, eggs. *The entire time she has had grit available, and has been offered sprouts, mash (regular feed w/kelp & bone broth), oatmeal w/kelp & kefir*
8. Poop still looks the same: watery white with brown mixed in. Is pooping about every 2-3 hours
9. Treatment so far: Tuesday-.5mL NutriDrench, 3mL garlic water (given every day since chick) via syringe every 15min. Internal exam to check for egg binding, 1 Tums crushed & mixed w/water administered via syringe, Epsom salt bath (repeated exam & bath after 1 hour). It became apparent to me after researching that she had Ascites (presented with every symptom), I used a 3mL syringe (had on hand) and a 18 gauge 1" needle to drain fluid from her abdomen in the evening. I decided on this method because she was fading fast: eyes closed, sitting all day, labored mouth breathing, discoloration of comb. IMMEDIATELY after draining 3mL fluid she became alert. Put her back in cage, she began to eat and was standing. She was draining fluid all night, but no longer mouth breathing and comb went back to normal. She even roosted on a rolling pin I put in the cage for her.
Wednesday: in the am she didn't look good again so I decided to drain her again, but this time I removed the syringe plunger & let her drain through it into a measuring cup. Just over 3/4 c came out. Put her back in the crate, .5mL NutriDrench again her recovery was immediate. Throughout the day I gave her .25mL 50ppm colloidal silver (antibiotic/antibacterial/antiviral/anti-inflammatory) on an alternating half hour rotation of .5mL acidophilus/bifido (1 capsule mixed w/enough water to make suspension).She was still draining ALOT throughout the day, but seemingly gaining strength & vigor every hour. Gave her another Epsom salt bath, crated, & watched.
Today: Started antibiotic (CS)/probiotic rotation (same dose) hourly. Going to bathe her again as she's stopped draining so her butt fluff is all matted. Started Kali Phos treatment for IL/EYP (4mL dose of 1 6c tablet to 4tsp water).
**Notes: fluid drained was cloudy yellow indicating internal laying/EYP
10. Treatment Intention: I would prefer to treat her myself as our vet is 45min away and a same day appointment is $200 let alone what they actually do. I spent around $400 at last visit and my husband has a $500/per animal cap on medical costs. However, I am NOT opposed to putting her down if her symptoms do not improve. I would rather try what I can first and if it doesn't work I would never sacrifice her quality of life for my emotional attachment.
11. Pics: will attempt to post
12. Current housing: dog crate w/training pad (changed whenever soiled), available water/grit/food. Although, I have had her out of crate for the last few hours because shes doing well but not well enough for me to put her back.
I am aware the Ascites is a symptom of EYP and that's a symptom of IL. I treated the symptoms and they provided immediate relief. I am continuing to treat the EYP w/antibiotic & probiotic rotation, and the only course of action I have for IL is the Kali. I know that generally the prognoses of all 3 of these issues isn't a good one, but I have to try and am hopeful. Any comments/suggestions/advice would be helpful.
And from the bottom of my heart, may God bless each of you on this site as it has been an invaluable resource to me throughout being a chicken mama <3
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and I've come to find through reading so many of these BYC posts, others poor experiences with the same. As a matter of fact, I've already lost 2 other "RIR's" (one at 5 days old...diagnosed as failure to thrive and the other at 8 months...diagnosed as sudden chicken death syndrome). Its unfortunate to say the least.
