Is this a roo?

Discussion in 'What Breed Or Gender is This?' started by sophiaw00, Oct 25, 2016.

  1. sophiaw00

    sophiaw00 Chillin' With My Peeps

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    After a long break from BYC, I am back. I lost a few birds last year from various reasons and I decided to take a break to focus on the birds I had left. Well, over the summer, I lost all but three of my birds due to a parasite. I was, and still am, heartbroken. My chickens were my pets more than anything and I loved them so much. I lost my beloved Tot, a salmon faverolle, who had sooo much personality and never failed to make me laugh. I lost Pepper, the prettiest easter egger I have ever seen. I lost Aspen, a sweet old Rhode Island Red who was dumped in my yard in the middle of a snow storm last year because she no longer laid eggs. I lost Tater, a girl who tended to be pretty skittish until you brought the food out. I lost Elsa, a gorgeous white marans who never seemed to be afraid. I miss my girls with all my heart but I am so thankful to be left with the three that I managed to nurse back to health - Daisy, Dixie, and Betty Lou, the last three of my original 8.

    About a month ago, I decided it was time to expand my flock again so that there were more birds in the coop to keep it warm this winter. I brought home 8 new birds from the same place I got my original 8. 5 of the new birds are young (two were 14 weeks and three were 18 weeks) and 3 of the new birds are adults - 2 hens and a rooster (who is the full blood brother of my first rooster, Daryl). I love my new birds so much! They have been a blessing and it is so fun watching them figure out the pecking order and run around. I missed having babies. One of the hens, Vaida, is the mother of the three older babies, Gracie, Meredith, and Ellie. The two younger babies are from a different hatch and they are named Ember and Rocky. The rooster has been named Kota and the last hen is Violet. All of the babies are barn yard mixes.

    Violet, a splash marans, is a little slow mentally as she suffered an injury to the head when she was younger. She is blind in one eye and is just a bit different than the rest of the chickens. I picked her out specifically because one of my old chickens, Vivica, suffered a very similar injury. She was scalped by the other chickens when she was first introduced into the flock and I nursed her back to health. She never fully recovered mentally and was always slower than the rest. Eventually, that became a problem as she did not run from predators and my dog killed her. I was heartbroken. The difference between Violet and Vivi is that Violet is a bit braver and will peck another chicken if she wants something they have. Vivi would have never done that. Violet runs to me for protection as well and reminds me so much of my Vivi.
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    Pictured below are Gracie (white) and Ember (black). Gracie definitely has splash in her as she is already developing some blue spots. I believe Ember to have some black marans in her. Ellie can be seen in the back, barely. I think she has cuckoo in her. Gracie and Ellie were raised by Vaida (a golden cuckoo) but it is not known for sure if they are biologically hers.
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    Here are two of my three remaining original girls, Dixie & Daisy. I love them to death and am so thankful they are still here with me.
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    This is Ember, Kota, and Vaida. Kota is the full blood brother of my first rooster, Daryl. Pictures of him can be seen on my profile. Vaida is a golden cuckoo and she raised the three older babies.
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    This is Violet, Gracie, and Meredith.
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    Here are some pictures of my favorite of the entire flock, Rocky. When I picked him out, I thought pullet because of the small comb but when I brought him home I noticed some cockerel characteristics. First, he is one of the younger babies but is larger than my original girls (a white marans, a splash marans, and a blue andalusian). His legs are very thick and the first day he was here, he did the little mating dance thing that roosters do. I havent seen him do it since. He is super friendly. He comes right up to me and lets me pick him up and pet him with no struggle. He is the sweetest little thing. I know if he is a rooster, I will eventually have to choose between him and Kota to prevent fighting and over-mating but I love them both so much. I know already though if I have to choose, Rocky is staying. What do you think?
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  2. minihorse927

    minihorse927 Whipper snapper Premium Member

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    I do believe you have a cockerel on your hands.
     
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  3. sophiaw00

    sophiaw00 Chillin' With My Peeps

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    Do you think he will stay friendly?
     
  4. drumstick diva

    drumstick diva Still crazy after all these years. Premium Member

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    never can predict who will be good or bad especially once their hormones are raging
     
  5. Lady of McCamley

    Lady of McCamley Overrun With Chickens

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    At 14 to 18 weeks of age, purchased a month ago, would make them all between 18 and 22 weeks of age now.

    With that, I think they are all pullets.

    With mixed breeds, but especially Marans heritage, the comb size alone states pullet.

    Rocky has a taller stance like many Marans do, from a bit of Langshan throw back which was brought into the Marans line for improvement. I doubt any are purebreds. Rocky no doubt came from a Cuckoo mix creating the cuckooing pattern...which would have passed to both males and females if the father was cuckoo.

    Not sure what you meant by rooster dance....did Rocky circle the others, doing a little "pow wow" step with one wing down? That would be solely cockerel behavior. However, if you simply mean Rocky ran up to the others with flared hackles and a bit of wing beating, even circling, that is simply dominance. I've had lots of pullets show that to each other especially in an all pullet flock when new members meet old members.

    Being larger with thicker legs is meaningless. You've got mixed breed birds at mixed ages who each will develop differently from others. No way of knowing the full genetics or ages for certainty. I've had lots of pullets with Amazon legs.

    I'm not seeing saddle feathers, though the 2nd photo of Rocky shows a bit of saddle fluff and a bit of funk in the tail...but I think that is left over juvenile molt. Mostly lack of comb development at what must be 18 to 22 weeks, with no clear saddle or sickle, marks Rocky as a pullet for me.

    Watch and wait. It is possible that Rocky was younger than the breeder thought, so that comb and saddle development will arrive, especially if that was a true mating dance (which I suspicion was not)...mixed breeds, especially Marans heritage, tend to telecast early, so I would be very, very, surprised if Rocky is male.

    My thoughts.
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  6. sophiaw00

    sophiaw00 Chillin' With My Peeps

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    The little dance he did was extremely similar to what my roosters have always done and is more like the first "dance" you described, where he circles the others with his wing down. He did that twice when i first got him but i haven't seen him do it since. He also always gets very, very interested when he here's Kota crow or when he hears the neighbor birds crow. He immediately stops what he's doing and looks up to listen. I'm not sure if that means anything. He's also wayyyy friendlier than I've ever had a hen be, and my original 8 were all hand raised from hatchlings and sat on my lap to cuddle when they were young. The comb size does trouble me though because it definitely indicates pullet. His dad is either Kota or the other rooster at the farm he was hatched at. Kota has cuckoo marans back ground (may be purebred, I'm not sure, but pictures of him are in the original post) and i'm not sure what breed the other was. I'm not sure what his mother was, but they had Andalusians, easter eggers, marans of most varieties, an several other purebred birds that I don't remember the breed of. And of course they had mixed as well.
     
  7. Lady of McCamley

    Lady of McCamley Overrun With Chickens

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    With that added information...then I think it is an undeveloped roo as I've never had a pullet do the "pow wow" with wing tipped down.

    It is natural that he hasn't done it again as there is a senior rooster in residence, and he will have to work his way up the ranks.

    I think the saddle fluff and one funky tail are then slowly developing saddle and sickle.

    As to that comb...no that isn't right. Two options here...he is younger than we think or for some reason he is not getting his share of nutrition due to hazing.

    It is also possible he could have some coccidia or parasites causing some anemia.

    Or is just a really slowly developing rooster.

    Sometimes they do make you wonder.

    LofMc
     

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