Izzie

izzie

In the Brooder
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Sep 7, 2014
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I want to but my broody and her new chicks into a coop with a run when is it safe to do this there are 6 chicks all hatched by this motning
 

chooks4life

Crowing
6 Years
Apr 8, 2013
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Depends on the hen. Some hens will only bond to eggs or their nesting location; they have varying degrees of instinct.

Personally I'd act based on whether or not she's a proven mother. If she's not, I'd possibly wait till the next day so the chicks are all capable on their feet, then move them overnight into the run, unless it's a full moon and the hen will be able to see her way around... In that case a hen lacking sufficient maternal instinct might go pacing, trying to get back to her old nest, trampling chicks or letting them freeze overnight. If she's a proven mother I'd move her immediately though.

Best wishes.
 

Ridgerunner

Crossing the Road
13 Years
Feb 2, 2009
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May I ask why you are in a hurry? There may be better alternatives. The hen should have been bonding with her chicks even before they hatched. That's part of why the chicks start chirping after internal pip and before external pip. The hen and chicks are talking to each other and bonding. But the longer you leave them together in the nest usually the better that bond. I generally don't like to interfere until the hen moves them off the nest.

Chooks, I've had a proven mother fail to bond with some chicks in her second hatch. She was great in her first hatch. It's a complicated story but with living animals each hatch is its own adventure. After that I don't put as much faith in "proven mother" as I used to.
 

izzie

In the Brooder
5 Years
Sep 7, 2014
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She's bonded ok it's just that she's in a coop that hasn't a run because we thought we'd lost her then eventually found her under an egg box so wasn't sure if eggs were fertile although there's bongo cockerel in the pen so we just put her in a make do area as we didn't expect anything we have a coop with an enclosed run for her and chicks which Lilly our other broody had but we've moved her into a new coop and run
There are 6 little chicks who are so adorable
 

chooks4life

Crowing
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Apr 8, 2013
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Chooks, I've had a proven mother fail to bond with some chicks in her second hatch. She was great in her first hatch. It's a complicated story but with living animals each hatch is its own adventure. After that I don't put as much faith in "proven mother" as I used to.

I've never experienced a proven mother fail, but there's a first time for everything I guess. In my experience a hen can fail to show complete instinct at any instance, i.e. some bond fine on the nest but are useless as free range mothers, some will do everything right except respond correctly to chicks crying because they're cold, etc. Good mothering is a spectrum of multiple nuances of multiple behaviors and if she lacks sufficient degrees of instinct on any one of those points it can be fatal.

Best wishes.
 

Ridgerunner

Crossing the Road
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Feb 2, 2009
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Southeast Louisiana
I guess I could tell my story. Both hens involved were proven mothers that had hatched and raised chicks before.

I had a hen go broody but a snake was occasionally visiting the henhouse. So I gave the hen a few eggs but put several more in the incubator so she would at least have some to raise. Some eggs did disappear from under the broody but she did hatch one chick, a red one. In the meantime I hatched several red and black chicks in the incubator. The problem was the hen hatched well before the incubator and it was one of those incubator hatches that stretched on for two long days and nights. By the time the incubator hatch was finished the hen had set on the nest bonding for two full days with that red chick and had brought the chick off the nest.

I put the hen and red chick in an enclosure for a day and put the rest of the chicks with them the next morning. The hen accepted the red ones but rejected the black ones. She didn’t attack them to kill them, just drove them to the far end of the enclosure. That’s the first time I’ve ever seen a hen reject chicks because of their color. Her previous brood this spring was mixed red, yellow, and black. I did not see that one coming. Maybe if I’d put them under her at night it would have been different.

In the meantime another hen went broody. She had only been broody about two days when this happened but I stuck those black chicks under her. They stayed in there with her for about a day and a half but when those chicks started chirping that they were hungry and thirsty, she stayed on the nest instead of bringing them off for food and drink. I finally wound up putting them in a brooder and raising them myself. Although that brooder was only a couple of feet away from the broody she never blinked an eye. Instead of bonding with those chicks she just kept trying to hatch an empty nest. That was the first time I’d tried putting chicks with a hen that had just gone broody but she was well broody. The hormones had really hit hard. Again I did not expect failure. She had hatched and raised chicks before.

I eventually got that snake by the way, but not until this drama was over.
 

chooks4life

Crowing
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Apr 8, 2013
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I guess I could tell my story. Both hens involved were proven mothers that had hatched and raised chicks before.

I had a hen go broody but a snake was occasionally visiting the henhouse. So I gave the hen a few eggs but put several more in the incubator so she would at least have some to raise. Some eggs did disappear from under the broody but she did hatch one chick, a red one. In the meantime I hatched several red and black chicks in the incubator. The problem was the hen hatched well before the incubator and it was one of those incubator hatches that stretched on for two long days and nights. By the time the incubator hatch was finished the hen had set on the nest bonding for two full days with that red chick and had brought the chick off the nest.

I put the hen and red chick in an enclosure for a day and put the rest of the chicks with them the next morning. The hen accepted the red ones but rejected the black ones. She didn’t attack them to kill them, just drove them to the far end of the enclosure. That’s the first time I’ve ever seen a hen reject chicks because of their color. Her previous brood this spring was mixed red, yellow, and black. I did not see that one coming. Maybe if I’d put them under her at night it would have been different.
I know the scenario you're detailing here, I had the same issue with black hens and white hens, and black chicks and white chicks, specifically, before I started culling out such picky mothers. The funny thing is that the white hens rejected white chicks in favor of black ones and the black hens rejected black chicks in favor of white ones. I didn't have the time of day for that craziness and got rid of those hens, lol.
In the meantime another hen went broody. She had only been broody about two days when this happened but I stuck those black chicks under her. They stayed in there with her for about a day and a half but when those chicks started chirping that they were hungry and thirsty, she stayed on the nest instead of bringing them off for food and drink. I finally wound up putting them in a brooder and raising them myself.
Although that brooder was only a couple of feet away from the broody she never blinked an eye. Instead of bonding with those chicks she just kept trying to hatch an empty nest. That was the first time I’d tried putting chicks with a hen that had just gone broody but she was well broody. The hormones had really hit hard. Again I did not expect failure. She had hatched and raised chicks before.

I eventually got that snake by the way, but not until this drama was over.
I had to cull one hen who could not stop brooding, over 6 months of her remaining in that state nonstop meant she was physically and mentally deteriorating terribly, and she just would not break off the brood, but when she hatched chicks she'd abandon them to find unhatched eggs to sit on. Physically, she could not keep going, but couldn't stop either.
Spotting a truly reliable broody involves something like a detailed checklist of traits that need to be quantified, someone ought to do a video detailing exactly what warning signs to look for... It's often as subtle as signs of a pending attack on humans from what seems to be a non aggressive rooster, not something most people seem able to spot in time, when they're pretty new to chooks.
Best wishes.
 

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