Kimiko wrote: 3) We have effectively hijacked this thread from the poor chicken who was ill--perhaps we should move antibiotic discussions to another thread? 1) ...Cyn also requested this. A discussion on AB/no AB /treat or cull ... well my experience on that is to simply agree to disagree because that on is a big can of worms which has never been resolved as it is a matter of personal choice "... never the twain shall meet..." To keep the discussion friendly and informative ppl usually just state their standpoint and (solid source) information backing it up and let it go after that. Continually reposting the same info /standpoint when you do not add additional information to the discussion will usually be interpreted as argumentative and detrimental to the informative nature of this forum which is an international forum and as such will often include information on meds and treatments which may be illegal for use in food-producing animals in another country. I would dare to say that most members are aware of this but your pointing it out is fine... harping on it again and again is irritating. ...When someone brings you new information you can take or leave it, but this dialog here isn't constructive or conducive to helping anyone or encouraging new people with information to share. 5) Are you guys always this tough on the newbies? I feel like I've been running defensive action since my 2nd post. One is also not always aware of information which may have been relayed through pm nor how well one member may know the OP of a post or other members participating in a thread (some may be well known to the group or to each other and some may not) so dont be so quick to make assumptions that you (personally) are being picked on ... often a subject or element thereof may have been a subject of discussion (sometimes heatedly so) in other threads that you might not be aware of. When your information is seemingly ignored then that is simply the nature of the participants in that thread to do so... it is not personal. Rest assured the the other thousands of members who have also read that post may take away the information you have given in another context or may use it to the purpose you intended when you posted it. ... End of story. Whether you agree with the science or not, it is the law. If you sell your eggs and have given your hens baytril, you are in violation. What you choose to do with that information is up to you--I just wanted to make sure people were aware the laws had changed. It's called informed consent, people. I'm not sure why this concept has been so completely misunderstood... I feel it is important not to step on a members right to communicate their information (in general or direction of the OP)as long as you simply address the information given and not the person giving it > IMO that is the key to keeping things informative and friendly (even when you post information or a standpoint which may directly contradict ). It is important to give accurate information and a URL to a solid source article (for instance from a veterinary or poultryscience (university) source) will make a huge difference in avoiding arguments. As you yourself stated "information" ,even when from a solid source can be outdated or even contended within the scientific community of specialists itself. NOTHING IS WRITTEN IN STONE (not even laws > particularly when the laws allow off label use of meds). Indeed it is a question of personal responsibility and discussion on THAT point can best be avoided. You give your information and THAT is the end of the story and the responsibility as to how that person chooses to use the information is up to them. This is an internet forum for the exchange / discussion of information (international) and not a (USA)court of law. When someone brings you new information you can take or leave it, but this dialog here isn't constructive or conducive to helping anyone or encouraging new people with information to share. You have shared your information... others have shared theirs. What is not conducive is to argue about it.