large fowl birchen cochin???

Discussion in 'General breed discussions & FAQ' started by geweldig23, Aug 6, 2011.

  1. geweldig23

    geweldig23 Chillin' With My Peeps

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    I have heard of a few different methods of creating a large fowl birchen cochin, and would really like to start a project. I was wondering if anyone out there has had any experience with this project and what methods did you use....or hear of?
    Thanks!
     
  2. nicalandia

    nicalandia Overrun With Chickens

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    Quote:the only way is using ER(Brichen) and sex linked Silver..... and staying within the same breed?
     
  3. sjarvis00

    sjarvis00 Chillin' With My Peeps

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    Quote:the only way is using ER(Brichen) and sex linked Silver..... and staying within the same breed?

    You cannot create "Birchen" genetically but you can produce a bird that appears as a Birchen in color and Pattern a few different ways. Some have used Silver Duckwing over Black hens, or Silver Laced over Black hens, it has been done several ways and will not breed true but will provide the appearance. However you go about it it will take a few generations.
     
  4. geweldig23

    geweldig23 Chillin' With My Peeps

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    Not necessarily staying within the same breed. But using a breed large enough and close enough in type that it won't take away too much.
    Has anyone ever heard of using brahmas?
     
  5. sjarvis00

    sjarvis00 Chillin' With My Peeps

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    Quote:I have seen Brahma used with Cochin several times, Given the option of Light and Dark Brahma, naturally try the Dark but I am sure there are other colors ot there. I have seen the Birchen appearance in Wyandotte and marans. keep in mind this will be a long term event regardless of how you go about it and getting back to type while maintaining color will be a key. feathered footing is dominant so you will be able to maintain and improve it regardless of where you get the color from.
     
  6. geweldig23

    geweldig23 Chillin' With My Peeps

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    Quote:I have seen Brahma used with Cochin several times, Given the option of Light and Dark Brahma, naturally try the Dark but I am sure there are other colors ot there. I have seen the Birchen appearance in Wyandotte and marans. keep in mind this will be a long term event regardless of how you go about it and getting back to type while maintaining color will be a key. feathered footing is dominant so you will be able to maintain and improve it regardless of where you get the color from.

    I know it will be a long term project obviously. I just wanted to hear other peoples opinions on ways to go about doing it.
     
  7. lildinkem

    lildinkem Chillin' With My Peeps

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    When I first got into poultry I was given a nice flock of Buff Orp hens. The guy who gave them to me was not sure if they were fertile and asked me to use one of my hatchery males to do a test breeding. Well I used an all Black classic hatchery male. You know the ones that get sold as Black Jersey Giant and wind up looking like a cross of Black Australorp and Ameraucana. Well he did the job. I trashed the eggs and bought a young Buff cockerel who I seen mount several times and then gathered up 6 eggs. All were fertile. And ofcourse it was from the hatchery Black male.
    I did keep one who displayed this Silver
    Here he is as this pic was taken mins ago.
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    Besides being 11 lbs and not of any Orp type, which is what I wanted. I did do a test breeding of him to a Splash hen and a Black hen. He threw two pullets who were Birchen. A Blue and a Black Birchen. I did incubate just a couple of Birchen eggs. And did get another pullet who appears to be a Birchen from breeding the Birchen hen to one of her brothers and son of the cock above. Now not saying she will breed pure.
    But here is the 2 nd generation from that male
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    His offspring did throw a Silver Salmon Breasted Duckwing too. So what was said early holds true.
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    Now IF was to try and make one out of a conventional means. I would find a large fowl Birchen of another breed. MAYBE a MARANS? I have this Birchen Marans I bought 4 years ago who is a non feathered leg bird. He is big and is a clean Birchen. I mean there is no brassiness in the Silver plumage. Try to make a Cochin from him would require hatching every single eggs. But, you will get the feathered leg genetics which he has. You will be fighting an up hill battle with the correct leg skin color. But I am pretty sure outta 20 or 30 you will get some with the yellow leg skin.
    Here is the Birchen Martans cock I still may use over one of these Birchen girls. I now have 3 Birchen girls, 2 Black Birchen girls and still the one Blue Birchen.
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    Asides from the Duckwing and Birchens I also got some Lemon Blues. One is an Ameraucana too. And her mom was a Blue Splash Orp hen and dad was the mix cock that started it all.
    And she lays a Blue green egg too.
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    And ofcourse you would expect to have a BBR pop out.
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    But I would say to try and use a proven Birchen variety in another breed. What I got is totally unexpected but why not play with it and see IF I can make some that breed true.
    Good luck!
     
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  8. geweldig23

    geweldig23 Chillin' With My Peeps

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    Quote:wow! Very cool! Interesting birds too.
     
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  9. nicalandia

    nicalandia Overrun With Chickens

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    Quote:Correct...

    But...the nice thing about using ER(Birchen) is that is the second most domiant gene(after Extended Black) and Co has little or any effect on it... Split chicks(heterozygous Birchen) chicks will have black down at hatch so if you are doing a F1 back cross to original cochin(to regain type) you can tell which chick is carriying Birchen or not so you can cull earlier and only invest in the split birchen one...

    Dont Use Buff Cochins as they carry a bunch of genes you dont want..

    if you have Partridge cochins work with them as they carry eb and the allele is recessive to Birchen..

    Quote:That is True... geweldig23 always keep that in mind
     
  10. geweldig23

    geweldig23 Chillin' With My Peeps

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    Yes......I know this will be a long term project.....thanks. I didn't mention anything about getting a result quickly. I'm not one of those breeders that starts a project then quits a year later and ends up with a ton of mutts, that's not fair to the breed.
     

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