lavendar and self blue?

Discussion in 'General breed discussions & FAQ' started by chickenlover54, Dec 13, 2009.

  1. chickenlover54

    chickenlover54 Henely Hatchery

    May 20, 2009
    Northern Illinois
    are they the same thing?
    self blue-
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  2. speckledhen

    speckledhen Intentional Solitude Premium Member

    Yes, same color.
     
  3. shay20

    shay20 Shay's Flock of Fun

    Jul 31, 2008
    in the wild, Mass
    What i do know is that you have a very nice looking roo there. [​IMG]
     
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  4. speckledhen

    speckledhen Intentional Solitude Premium Member

    Lavender and self-blue are the same gene, trust me. Below is an article from browneggblueegg. http://www.browneggblueegg.com/Article/BlueGenetics.html


    Self Blue, Lavender, or True Breeding Blue

    Self blue, also know as Lavender or "true breeding blue", is an genetically disticnt from Andalusian blue; birds can have both Andalusian and Self blue genes. Self blue is controlled by an autosomal recessive gene (lav). In other words, it is only expressed in the homozygous form, and therefore is not a modifier and can only be "blue or split to blue". Lavender birds also tend to be more of a uniform blue, male and female, without the smut or mossiness often found in Andalusian Blue birds. There is, however, some linkage or other attribute that shows up in lavender birds which often causes the shriveling or narrowing of the long feathers of the wings and tails. This deformation renders many birds not suitable for the showroom.

    When referring to APA or ABA Standard bred birds, Blue refers to "Andalusian" Blue and Self Blue refers to "Lavender" or "True Breeding Blue".

    I forgot to mention that Lavender birds are not laced.

    Dark Blue Laced Blue is a British thing. Carefoot describes it, but I don't think I have ever seen it. It is possible that the Blue Laced Blue of the UK is the combination of Lavender and Andalusian Blue, since they can be inherited separately. Andalusian Blue is very common in the USA, even though it is only phenotypic when heterozygous. Blue Andalusian chickens were part of the original (1874) APA Standard. They purportedly came from crossing native black Spanish fowl with their white "sports". As you know, white sports (not albinos) occasionally occur in virtually all black species.

    The Lavender gene modifies the pigment granules of the feathers (Hollander). The Lavender gene causes Black to appear Blue, Red to appear Buff and Red-Orange to appear Straw.

    I don't know when the Lavender gene was discovered. Buff coloration was standardized in the nineteenth century. Self Blue was described as a standard color in the first ABA, Bantam Standard in 1965. Self Blue Old English Games were admitted to the APA American Standard of Perfection in 1965, also. Self Blue (or Lavender) is much more uncommon, though it occurs in several Standard breeds. The British Poultry Standards admitted Lavender "Araucanas" at a later date.​
     
  5. shay20

    shay20 Shay's Flock of Fun

    Jul 31, 2008
    in the wild, Mass
    Quote:Do they call lavender in the oegb?
     
  6. pips&peeps

    pips&peeps There is no "I" in Ameraucana

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    OEGB call it self blue, but the actual scientific name for the gene is lavender.
     
  7. shay20

    shay20 Shay's Flock of Fun

    Jul 31, 2008
    in the wild, Mass
    pips&peeps :

    OEGB call it self blue, but the actual scientific name for the gene is lavender.

    hmmm i did not know that. I was told that if i showed my self blue oegb he had to go in as self blue.

    thanks for openeing this thread chickenlover54, i learned something today.
    I had a self blue oegb, and he was so handsome and beautiful.

    chickenlover54 you have a very handsom boy there. [​IMG]
     
  8. pips&peeps

    pips&peeps There is no "I" in Ameraucana

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    Yes, you have to show them under the name the breed club has recognized as the variety.

    When the ABC goes to try and get ours recognized, we want to call them lavender.
     
  9. chickenlover54

    chickenlover54 Henely Hatchery

    May 20, 2009
    Northern Illinois
    Quote:Thanks you!!! I told him that and he puffed out his chest and said "I know" [​IMG]
     
  10. shay20

    shay20 Shay's Flock of Fun

    Jul 31, 2008
    in the wild, Mass
    Quote:Thanks you!!! I told him that and he puffed out his chest and said "I know" [​IMG]

    [​IMG] they always know it. and they will let you know that they know it. lol so cute.
     

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