Lethargic Hen - Egg bound? I can't feel an egg!!!

Discussion in 'Emergencies / Diseases / Injuries and Cures' started by Jeepgirl, Nov 28, 2013.

  1. Jeepgirl

    Jeepgirl Out Of The Brooder

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    Please help, I was evacuated from my home during the floods in Colorado, and therefore my chickens are not at my house. That means I cant check on them daily. I'm having an issue with my 3yo Buff Orpington hen that I haven't seen since Tuesday. She didn't look "right" on Tuesday but nothing that I could diagnose. Today there was something obviously wrong.

    She's sitting there with her feathers all puffed out, not moving. Eyes closed all day. Comb is normal coloration, but she's not eating, and no poop. She just drank water for the first time all day a few minutes ago. I've soaked her in a warm bath twice today, and she's been sitting in my living room on a heating pad. She just lays there. She's NOT normally a hen I can even pick up without a fuss, so this is very bad.

    I stuck my finger in her vent to check to see if I could feel an egg. . .nothing. I felt a grainy substance, and when I went to remove it, she finally starting moving the muscles there, but nothing else happened. I just gave her a small syringe of calcium to help her along.

    I'm going to keep her in the living room all night tonight, but what in the world could be going on???? I know if she's egg bound, her weird behavior on Tuesday means she's probably at the end of her rope since it's Thursday now. I sure hope not. Hope someone is on here on Thanksgiving night :)
     
  2. Feather Fowl

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    Oh dear. I know I am not a Vet but this sounds bad. [​IMG]
    Any Chicken that is not drinking or eating is in a bad position. I would check for more symptoms. Is the keel (breastbone) sharp suggesting that it is underweight. Check the crop for liquidy substances or irregularities. Is she wormed and if so what from? Check for mites in feathers around the whole body including the vent. Is she sneezing, coughing or gaping. But most importantly try to see if you can get any information about the poo, if she poops. What color the urine, faeces and urates (normally white stuff) are of poop, does she have worms? We can narrow this down, but only so far as many illnesses have the same symptoms. This change in state would almost certainly come from a sudden change in environment.

    Some harmless simple remedies include vinegar, vitamins and electrolytes. I recommend you try adding dilute vinegar in the water to raise stomach pH and try to kill bad bacteria. Maybe try some adding some electrolytes to water if this doesn't work. Or maybe you could try to give it vitamins through water. Check how to provide these. A multi-vitamin brand I know of is Ornithon. Use Vetafarm Polyaid Plus as an electrolyte. If none of these brands are in the area, check for other brands.
     
  3. Jeepgirl

    Jeepgirl Out Of The Brooder

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    Well, I checked on her this AM, and seemed to be in the same state. Then 2 hours later I checked again, and she's completely limp, on her side, and still breathing (normally). Eyes closed. Looks dead, but still breathing.

    Since it was Thanksgiving last night, I couldn't get any electrolytes or vitamins for birds. . .so I gave her calcium from a crushed up tums through a syringe feeder, and some gatorade. No help obviosly, because she's worse this morning. I put raw egg into her cage last night, and when I went to feed her this am, the egg was goey in her mouth, so she must have tried to eat.

    No mites, no coughing, gaping, She did poop this morning, and it was mainly watery with bits of white solids, with a lot of silt looking stuff in it (grey sandy substance). There are little black dots in it (not sure what that was?). A massive poop, and it smells horrible. But that's the first one in 24 hours, and now she looks like death.

    She was my fattest bird, and she was definately skinnier when I picked her up yesterday.

    I'm just sad that I couldnt have her around every single day, and catch this earlier. She's gotten so sick so fast since I picked her up. I'm finally able to move the rest of my flock home today, and it looks like i'll be one short :(
     
  4. Jeepgirl

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    Update. ..still lying there, breathing, and when I checked her vent, there was definately greenish/yellow poop coming out - looks like her normal stuff. She keeps pooping when lying on her side. Smells bad. And now her butt is all messy. But she's completely lifeless, eyes closed, and breathing. I doubt she's going to make it, but I'd really like to know what's going on.
     
  5. Jeepgirl

    Jeepgirl Out Of The Brooder

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    Updated too soon. That was the last bowel movement. She just stretched out, opened her eyes, and died.

    Can someone please help me diagnose so this doesn't happen to my other hens?! What could I have done differently? What do you think caused this?
     
  6. casportpony

    casportpony Team Tube Feeding Captain & Poop Inspector General Premium Member

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    casportpony Team Tube Feeding Captain & Poop Inspector General Premium Member

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    Sorry for your loss. Here is a copy and paste from a thread I started:

     
  8. Feather Fowl

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    I am so sorry but I believe it was Marecks but to be certain send it off for a necropsy as I can only tell you my opinion. With Marecks disease there is no medicine, only vaccinations which are difficult to find as doses only come in per 100 birds and are expensive. Marecks disease causes the legs not to bear the weight of the chickens body and the toes curl. In the visceral form, tumors affect the main organs such as heart, kidney, ovary, spleen, liver etc. If it had white liquidy poop, that suggests liver problems. However I have no idea what the grey sandy substance was. If it is Marecks, chances are that your other chickens already have it as it spreads through feather follicles, fluff and dust. The chickens breathe in these infectious particles and end up with it. However many birds can be carriers but are more restrictive to the disease. Incubation of this disease takes about 3 to 4 months before a chicken may be showing signs. As for getting rid of the particles a would spray disinfectant around the place and probably maybe if you have a portable yard, move the yard. Give the coop a thorough clean of dust and cobwebs etc. Leave it for two weeks then allow them back in.

    But this is only a possibility, as I do not know where you live and if it is in your country. I would send it off for a necropsy, or do a necropsy yourself. If you send it off for a necropsy, then they will tell you what your flock has got, and what action needs to be taken.

    So sorry for your loss. R.I.P chicken. And good luck for the rest of your chickens[​IMG]
     

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