Lethargic Hen with Watery, Undigested Poop

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  1. shadow rabbit10

    shadow rabbit10 Chillin' With My Peeps

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    Hi, I'm having a problem with one of my hens
    1. She is a 2.5 year Buff Orpington hen. I haven't noticed a weight change yet.
    2. She is normally bright, social, and alert but has been acting very slow, not talking much, less desire to eat, Just stands around sometimes. She is eating, but she is not as enthusiastic to eat and might not be eating as much.
    3. She has shown symptoms for 3 days now.
    4. No other birds are showing symptoms.
    5. No trauma, broken bones, bleeding, etc.
    6. She has had coccidiosis in the past, might have exposed her to something?
    7. She has been eating her feed, some treats (worms, seeds, cucumber, corn bread etc), and drinking water.
    8. I've been finding very white, watery poops with a tiny bit of green matter in them. Although I have not seen her drop them, the other hens have been having normal poop/don't do this so I'm pretty sure they are hers.
    9. I have not yet treated yet but may put corrid in the water tomorrow as a preventative.
    10. I would like to treat her myself, but will go to the vet or send a stool sample if needed.
    11. I do not have a picture of the poop at this time but can try to get one tomorrow.
    12. She lives in a 9-12 bird coop with one other standard, and 4 bantam hens, has a run, and free ranges weather permitting and when I am home. I use pine shavings in the coop and hay in the nest boxes.
    I'm not sure if this could be cocci again. (No blood in poop). I read something about a bacteria called clostridium perfringens. Her poop and symptoms seem to match the description, plus it says hens who have had cocci are more likely to get this, which she has. I know my hens love to drink dirty, stagnant water left over from rain storms. Could they get something from that? Should I treat for cocci just in case? My birds have never been wormed before. Any advice appreciated.
     
  2. dawg53

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    I doubt it's cocci. She is 2.5 years old and would have built resistance to cocci in the soil by now. I recommend that you worm her with valbazen and inspect her closely for lice/mites especially around the vent area.
     
  3. Eggcessive

    Eggcessive True BYC Addict Premium Member

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    I would also recommend Valbazen for worming. Since enteritis from C. perfringens is difficult to diagnose, many people will consult with a vet. For treatment of enteritis, many antibiotics are used for treatment. Tylan and amoxicillin are very good. Others used are chlortetracyline, penicillin, bacitracin, Gallimycin, and lincomycin. I would definitely worm her and the rest of the flock first with Valbazen. Here are some links to read about enteritis and a link for small quantities of Valbazen:
    http://www.thepoultrysite.com/diseaseinfo/101/necrotic-enteritis
    http://www.merckmanuals.com/vet/pou...verview_of_necrotic_enteritis_in_poultry.html
    http://www.avianadvice.uark.edu/AA PDFs/avianadvice_su07.pdf
    http://www.wholesalekennel.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=22_24&products_id=29

    Some of her symptoms sound a little like egg yolk peritonitis, so I would also explore that.
     
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  4. shadow rabbit10

    shadow rabbit10 Chillin' With My Peeps

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    Thank you two. I don't think it's mites since none of the flock is itchy, losing feathers, etc, but I'll double check. Where can I get this valbazen stuff? And how much would I administer? I've looked up symptoms and it appears to be either perfringens or peritonitis. I really hope it's not peritonitis since it appears to be fatal :( it's not going to be easy, but I'll try to get her to the vet. Also, she has not laid an egg in a month or so
     
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  5. Eggcessive

    Eggcessive True BYC Addict Premium Member

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    The link for Valbazen is in the link in post #4 for small amounts, since it can be expensive. Valbazen in the normal 500 ml size may be available in local farm stores in cattle medicines. It is the only chicken dewormer that kills all chicken worms including cecal, capillaria, gapes, and tapes. Dosage is 1/2 ml given orally to a standard size chicken, then repeat that dose in 10 days. Here are some links about egg yolk peritonitis:
    http://scoopfromthecoop.nutrenaworld.com/tag/laying-issues/
    http://www.chickenvet.co.uk/health-and-common-diseases/egg-laying-issues/index.aspx
    https://www.backyardchickens.com/t/526089/egg-yolk-peritonitis
     
  6. shadow rabbit10

    shadow rabbit10 Chillin' With My Peeps

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    Thank you. I guess only a vet trip can really tell what she has? If she has peritonitis,and it is in an early stage would it even be worth getting her spayed to try to solve it? :( I'll look into the worker and may do it as a precautionary measure.
     
  7. seminolewind

    seminolewind Flock Mistress Premium Member

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    I think you hit the nail on the head. Undigested food is a symptom of Enteritis (c. perfringens). Get her on an antibiotic like anything that ends in cillin or even Tylan. Enteritis can be caused by different bacteria, including cocci. It's usually something that starts with immunosuppression, and one of the normal flora in the small intestine has the opportunity to multiply.

    My cocktail of choice these days for possible sub clinical enteritis is Tylan or Amoxi, and sulfadimethoxine. That's what I cover all the bases with.
     
  8. KayTee

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    The symptoms you describe sound an awful lot like clostridium perfringens. Have you read these two threads yet?

    https://www.backyardchickens.com/t/613918/undigested-food-in-droppings-update-on-page-3/40

    https://www.backyardchickens.com/t/...r-posts-on-byc-a-public-thank-you-to-nambroth

    I would start her on antibiotics (amoxycillin or similar) as soon as possible. If you have some floating around your medicine cabinet that the doctor prescribed for you then you can use that to begin with, until you can get to see a vet. If you need help with the dosages then let us know what size tablets you have and we can work it out.

    Best of luck with your girl.
     
  9. KayTee

    KayTee Chillin' With My Peeps

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    This is an example of poop from a chicken with clostridium perfringens:

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  10. shadow rabbit10

    shadow rabbit10 Chillin' With My Peeps

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    Thanks everyone. So I went to the vet yesterday and we noticed a new symptom. She had some nasal discharge and was pretty congested. The vet have her am appetite stimulant and she is currently on baytril because she thinks it's a respitory infection. If she doesn't get better in three days, she's going back for an x-ray and stool sample. However, on the way home from the vet, she pooped and it had a spot of blood in it... I emailed the vet and she said treat preventatively for cocci. I have corid in the water and am giving her baytril. As of today, she still won't eat, but she drank the corid water and seems a little but more lively. Well see what happens. I have a feeling this may not be completely respitory. I have not seen any more bloody poop except the one she did yesterday. I'm just confused because she seems to have two different sets of symptoms... she is the only bird in the flock who gets sick and has gotten sick three times now. I'm thinking she has a poor immune system. If she lives through this and gets sick again, I may have to consider putting her down... hope you all are having a good holiday.
     
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