Little Coop in the Big City

Discussion in 'Coop & Run - Design, Construction, & Maintenance' started by Chambertin, Oct 2, 2012.

  1. Chambertin

    Chambertin Chillin' With My Peeps

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    I live in a good sized city, about 14 million registered residents, but I thought having some chickens in the apartment would be an interesting thing to try.

    We bought two to try it out, never expecting them to live past a few weeks.
    Well, they did... Then chicken math took over and now we have 23 chickens and 2 turkeys.

    As you can imagine that number of birds takes a good sized coop. However, we live in an apartment on the 18 & 19th floor. So we had one option, the roof. Luckily our apartment had the 19th floor walk out garden and a little space where they put some decorative concrete "fins" on the building.

    I bought a concrete drill and decided to go to work on turning that space into a coop.

    The coop space is about 5 by 23 feet (1.5 by 7 meters) and slopes up from about 4 feet by the window to 8 feet at the end of the building. So we are really lucky to have that dead space right next to our garden to use.

    It started by drilling holes in the wall that was about 1 foot thick to make a door between the garden and dead space, then pouring some concrete to make an even floor that wouldnt get wet in the rain. After some help with that part I was left with this:

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    From the elevator roof showing the door cut and dead space "roof".

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    The new door from our house door.

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    Looking away from the building. The yellow crossbeams are out in the air, the white ones are over the floor.

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    This is a window to a spare bedroom in our apartment. It will have quite a view when I'm finished. The previous view of dead concrete box was quite unimpressive.

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    Here's a better view of the "roof" area.

    These crossbeams presented a problem as I had no real idea how to secure a roof to the concrete that would allow airflow, but withstand hurricane force winds. We live almost in Hong Kong and we get at least 4 tropical storms and about two hurricanes a year.

    You can see in the first picture there is a lighting rod type rebar that goes along all the roof surfaces, so I decided to attach the real roof to that rebar.
    That roof has yet to arrive, it will be the tinted all weather plastic.
    The big problem was what to do about predators. There arent any birds of prey, dogs, etc. here, but because of the dirty workers living in the elevator stairs we have MANY rats crawling around the building.
    We took a long time de-ratting our house and while I was building this coop one rat attacked out chicks, we lost 3 chicks to that. 1 Houdan and our only two Guinea Hens. So predator proofing was a big issue.

    What I settled on was good old wire screens. Not the cheap plastic bug guards in windows, the old grandpa style solid wire ones. Unable to find a roll with the proper width I settled on making little boxes to put up inbetween the concrete cross bars.
    I ended up with this:

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    You can see a tarp put up as a light rain guard that was an "all weather outdoor" tarp...
    It lasted about 2 weeks in the sun before you could poke a finger through it.
    Luckily I've found a reputable hardware shop since then, and its their loss. Although its has been cheap to build, the hardware guy has certainly ate well this past month.

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    There's a good view of how I installed the screen boxes. I dont think it would keep anything larger than a badger out, but I needed the density to keep rats big and small far away from my girls, and boy or two.

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    Now the coop is predator proof. I even added some guards over the drain area to keep mosquito populations down and my chickens from drinking any crappy runoff water.
    I'm about 3 weeks into the project at this point.

    The next step is to build the interior furniture and doors for the girls. In the long run I plan to have 3 compartments that can be separated from each other, but that will happen over time. As you can see in the next set of pictures I'm building what I can when I can.

    The whole process is extremely rewarding and if I have a day off school then I spend the whole day working on whatever I can. Except today, after a two day holiday, continuously making doors and roosts my soft supple teachers hands need a break.

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    Here's the finished door to the coop. Nothing fancy just a bunch of scrap wood we picked up cheap.
    Everything is recycled here, so there's no free lumber scraps or pallets up for grabs.
    Not as clean anymore either, the other project is building a garden bed, the corner can be seen under the tree.

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    *Sorry I dont know how to turn this photo back, it auto turned it sideways.

    Still, you can see the first interior door. I figure its nice to be able to separate birds and have breeding area and laying area, or what have you.
    For now its really nice to keep them out of the work area when I'm moving the furniture in.

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    You can see the largest of our 3 groups moved into the coop, 11 Houdan and 2 Araucana? Not sure what breed they are, but they should be laying green eggs in 2 months.

    They're still using their recycled boxes and mini roost in this photo, but in the next few photos you can see they have a much nicer layout today. I "installed" some lighting temporarily and will go back and wire it in properly once I'm done with all the drilling and such.

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    Wake up call. They all decided that the nice towels over the tools and bags was a better place to sleep than their silly old cardboard boxes.

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    My roosts and poop boards.

    You can see under the further roost I have set up two small trays. In the future I plan to turn the under area into nesting boxes.
    I'm thinking its a great way to conserve space, a 3 tier chicken apartment building in our apartment building.

    Your thoughts?

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    A second picture with flash, although it doesnt change much, still hard to see anything.

    So that's where my apartment coop stands.
    I also put up some training roosts made of recycled PVC that I managed to get for FREE today. I need to take a couple more pictures of everything so that the coop can be seen properly, but I'm having a real day off, pictures come later.

    My roof will be arriving within the week and I get to spend another day peering over the edge of 19 floors, Wheee~

    The real issue will be the floor. I'm at a loss about what to do for long term poop control.
    I'm way up and have no compost pile so pine shavings and classic methods are kind of impossible. The humidity and tropical storms have ruled out sand which must stay dry.
    The concrete is holding up well and there's no smell if I clean it out once daily, I just dont like them having to run on their poop. It would be nice to have some kind of absorbent material I can leave in for a week or so.

    For the moment its morning cleanings with a stiff brush on concrete. No poop has build up under their nails and with some scratch boxes their feet get cleaned more than enough.

    Long post and hopefully it was interesting.
    It's been an amazing experience and I'm really happy I made it this far.
    Please feel free to comment on, or about anything you see here. I'm starving for good information and really hope to make raising Chickens into a business in the future.

    If I had my dream come true I'd export some of these interesting heritage breeds I found here in China that seem to be like lost time capsules of old Europe and even older Asian breeding traditions.

    Again thanks for reading, here's a fun picture to end with:
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  2. AlicesSilkies

    AlicesSilkies Chillin' With My Peeps

    Thankyou for posting this, i love the pic at the end!!
    And your chickens are beautiful!!
     
  3. Chambertin

    Chambertin Chillin' With My Peeps

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    Thanks so much.
    They sure think they are beautiful. Our oldest hen keeps staring at herself in the full length mirror in the bedroom whenever we let the big pair in to clean up the spilled dog food.
    We have 3 dogs too.
    Quite an apartment, or maybe its a Zoo now?

    I think I'm at that fine line between bragging I did it and telling my story. I'll try not to cross it... Maybe...
    I mean what's to brag about? heh

    Here's the update picture:
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    It's nothing impressive yet. (or maybe ever) but the ladies like it and the rooster is jealous to get in.
    I put the towel up on the roost / poop boards to get some familiar smell up there and encourage the young ladies to make the high jump.

    They really like the training roosts and soon to be nest boxes for now.

    Still gotta solve the floor problem. I'm thinking of talking to the home decor guys downstairs and getting their cutting dust. That way I can just dust the floor every day and sweep up will be easier and the poop will dry out faster.
    I just dont want to mix in treated and varnished wood dust. Oh well, time to play!

    Hello 24oz tallboys.
    Amazingly PBR is popular here in China~
     
  4. AlicesSilkies

    AlicesSilkies Chillin' With My Peeps

    They love their perch, very lucky spoilt girlies (just like mine [​IMG])
    Oooh can i make a suggestion...i think that you should put curtains up for them on that window, it would make it look really nice and keep drafts out [​IMG]
     
  5. Chambertin

    Chambertin Chillin' With My Peeps

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    Luckily because of the design of the building there arent many drafts.
    The wind hits the lower building and rises, kind of sucks off the extra air and creates an AC kinda feel in the summer.
    To be honest most days I'm jealous of their coop airflow. With the extra sun heat on the roof inside can get really hot!
    They panted more in the kitchen than they do outside.

    However you're right, in the winter I'm planning to board up one half of the large opening. It's not cold here, but the wind can really put a chill on you after the really warm summer.
     
  6. AlicesSilkies

    AlicesSilkies Chillin' With My Peeps

    You are a very good chicken mummy [​IMG]
     
  7. AnotherKim

    AnotherKim Chillin' With My Peeps

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    That is fantastic!!! What a great way to use "dead" space!
     
  8. Chambertin

    Chambertin Chillin' With My Peeps

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    Update~
    I've been behind on adding any info or pictures lately. For some reason my editor was just uploading walls of text and no pictures.

    I got the roof in a couple days back and was not looking forward to putting it up.
    7 by 2 meters or sun proof green plastic, good tough stuff. I have to admit I was a little giddy when it got here as it meant the coop was going to be fully functional.
    However... leaning over the edge of the building... not on my priority list.

    Sorry I didnt take photos of me working, I think my wife would have killed me if she saw just where I was working. hehe
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    There's the beginings of our roof.
    I'll make sure to climb back up to the elevator roof tomorrow and take some pictures. Might even take one from street level to give full perspective. I'm just glad all I lost was my screwdriver. Probably could have caught it, but self preservation won over a nice 99 cent screwdriver. Sorry buddy.

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    Now you can see the garden side of the finished product. Yay me. As usual it doesnt look impressive, the sunburn probably would get more google hits.

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    The girls enjoying the green morning sun under the new roof.

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    A picture of my next roost. The roost with a view. I put it up at the end so un the hot summer months they have a great place to sit and catch a breeze.
    Dont tell them it is a recycled PVC pooper pipe.

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    Most importantly, the view from this prized real estate. Rent is gonna cost them more than a few dozen eggs.
    The screen distorts it a little, but its not too bad.

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    Finally the new view out the spare bedroom. A big change from the concrete coffin we had before.
    Most the girls are out playing in the garden. Those turkeys are big now!
    Best part is with the wind drafts and roof spacing it gives more fresh air than the window in the main room, even with 23 chickens.
     
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  9. Baymule

    Baymule Chillin' With My Peeps

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    I am thunderstruck and in total awe of your coop and your use of space. WOW. I am so impressed. Thanks so much for sharing and for posting pictures.
     
  10. Trefoil

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    Great idea. Have you solved your flooring problem? If you used wood chips (4-5" deep) and raked it every couple of days you probably wouldn't have to ever clean it completely out, just remove some of the dirty every now & then and replace it with clean. Sort of like a deep litter method. You might be able to sell what little you remove as mulch to help composters. You might want to mix DE in the bedding.
     

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